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Stuart993 01-11-2018 10:39 AM

WiFi System Recommendations
 
House size 2200sq ft, 3 levels.

Whose system would the Trust recommend?
Google.
Netgear.
Other?

Thanks in advance.

Gus Berges 01-11-2018 10:42 AM

Pricey, but ease of use and performance is beyond reproach: Apple.

Ideally you would have ethernet ports in each level, but if not, you will need to figure out if the Extreme is strong enough to send to higher levels and then use an Express to repeat the signal via Wi-Fi (with a significant decay in performance).

For a more robust operation, look at Ubiquiti.

GH85Carrera 01-11-2018 10:46 AM

I am leery of any product sold by Google. Period. Just my opinion.

I have a Apple router and it is pretty reliable. I put a Netgear router in for my Mother-In-Law. it has been flawless for many years.

flipper35 01-11-2018 10:54 AM

Ubiquity. Get solid non wifi router and then you can add access points as/where you need them. Enterprise class for the home.

Bob Kontak 01-11-2018 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 9881383)
Ubiquity. Get solid non wifi router and then you can add access points as/where you need them. Enterprise class for the home.

Why a non-wifi router? Not challenging you, just asking. I see cost/lost weekends adding access points.

You clearly have a reason. Is it integrity/continuity of the signal?

Amail 01-11-2018 11:58 AM

I've installed Orbi and couldn't be happier. Dead simple to set up and administer, and coverage is consistent.

Eric at Pelican Parts 01-11-2018 12:36 PM

Hmmm, I've been thinking of upgrading my gateway router as well. Spectrum supplied me with this Arris TG1672G (if I remember right). It works well, but doesn't cover 2500 sq ft.

I've also noticed my home office gets horrible speeds too... believe one of the walls is blocking the wifi.. Instead of getting 300 mbps, i'm only getting 40mbps. I'd like to fix this problem if I buy a new router.

jyl 01-11-2018 12:52 PM

I installed a Eero system (Hub + two Beacons) in my house, works wonderfully, inconspicuous, and took 5 minutes to setup.

House is basement 1000 sf, ground and 2nd floor each 1000 sf, 3rd floor 600 sf, wood frame. Somewhat noisy environment with my existing Apple Airport Extremes broadcasting two separate networks and the cable modem broadcasting a third network, plus a couple of neighbors' networks. Hub is at one corner of the ground floor (where the cable modem is), one Beacon is at the opposite corner of the ground floor, other Beacon is in stairwell between 2nd and 3rd floors. Strong signal everywhere. I get 70 Mbps at the cable modem (Mac wired to modem) and 45-50 Mbps on all wireless devices connected to the Eero.

flipper35 01-11-2018 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 9881447)
Why a non-wifi router? Not challenging you, just asking. I see cost/lost weekends adding access points.

You clearly have a reason. Is it integrity/continuity of the signal?

If it is the only wifi distribution point it is fine. When you are trying to mesh two or more and they are different brands they don't always play nice. If you are buying a router you can get one without wifi and either save some money or get a more robust one for the same money.

If you are using wifi for a laptop that doesn't move much it doesn't matter much. Personally, I would do the no wifi router and spend another $65 on a second Ubiquity access point at that location.

Bill Verburg 01-11-2018 01:10 PM

I've had really good experience w/ Netgear
current is an AC -2600 which works great streaming 4k content across the whole house

But they do have higher and lower rated products, I love that they are easy to set up

If security is an issue the Norton Core security Router might be worth looking into

masraum 01-11-2018 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 9881365)
I am leery of any product sold by Google. Period. Just my opinion.

I have a Apple router and it is pretty reliable.

Apple probably has almost as much time and money in big data as Google does. My wife was just on the phone getting her free 1 hour of training for her new watch the other day, and I heard several innocuous questions that I suspect were definitely for very specific data gathering purposes.

masraum 01-11-2018 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 9881447)
Why a non-wifi router? Not challenging you, just asking. I see cost/lost weekends adding access points.

You clearly have a reason. Is it integrity/continuity of the signal?

When you get a modem, router, access point all in one, it's like getting an inexpensive car that is trying to be a sports car, people hauler and utility vehicle all in one. Too much compromise. You usually end up with a device that is at best average at any of them. A dedicated wifi device will usually give you much better service, more features, better range.

The difference is that you'll probably end up spending more, but the better service and lack of frustration will be worth it.

masraum 01-11-2018 01:46 PM

Most wifi devices are designed to send a signal horizontally, with a little vertical. You may be able to get by with a good quality wifi device in the middle, or if that doesn't work, or isn't a viable option because the entry point is on the bottom floor, then you may want to plan for having something on the 1st and 3rd floors. The second floor will probably see enough overlap that you should get a decent signal there. Obviously, if you go that route, you'll need cabling between the 1st and 3rd.

At 2200sqft and 3 levels, I assume your place is fairly small per level, and maybe kind of a long skinny-ish rectangle of 3 floors? You may have better luck with having the antennas laying horizontal aligned with the short side of your place, so the signal spreads up and down and front to back (assuming side to side is the short side).

masraum 01-11-2018 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 9881576)
If it is the only wifi distribution point it is fine. When you are trying to mesh two or more and they are different brands they don't always play nice. If you are buying a router you can get one without wifi and either save some money or get a more robust one for the same money.

If you are using wifi for a laptop that doesn't move much it doesn't matter much. Personally, I would do the no wifi router and spend another $65 on a second Ubiquity access point at that location.

Or even just turn off the wifi on the wifi/router, if you're stuck with something that does both.

beepbeep 01-11-2018 02:09 PM

There are two major routes (other than using one combined WiFi/router):

1. Setting up enough wired Access Points to cover the house.
2. Using mesh AP's to do the same, without running Ethernet to each.

First option can be made arbitrary easy or complicated (PoE, Ubiquity, home-made OpenWRT etc.) but is the most robust.
Second option is slightly slower but plug and play. If you are only accessing Internet and do not have fibre, it is plenty enough. (I helped neighbour to set up Asus Lyra mesh system. It works fine.)

Wired AP's are the best solution, but overkill in most cases. I use four former 801.11ac Internet routers as Access Points (re-flashed with custom Linux OS, customized as dumb AP's, with quick roaming enabled) and one central router. I have 500Mbit WiFi link speed everywhere for 200 bucks but have spent lot's of time fine-tuning. Ubiquity kit does the same, but with hefty price markup (obviously).

P.S. Also, use Ethernet cable for everything that is not moving and has Ethernet jack. WiFi is meant for mobile stuff.

Stuart993 01-11-2018 02:28 PM

Thanks gentlemen.

Roswell 01-11-2018 03:01 PM

FYI...Apple is discontinuing its line of routers

wildthing 01-11-2018 07:07 PM

I would personally try to make sure I could get Ethernet to any TV or any other Internet-connected device that doesn't move. Then the WiFi could be reserved for truly mobile devices and other "smart" devices that can only connect via WiFi.

I found that even with an advertised "250Mbps", I can only get close to that speed while on Ethernet, and would be useful for consuming online video services.

I have not needed to try any of those "extenders" or "mesh" type of devices so can't help you there. Though a podcast I've been listening to has been advertising "eero".

id10t 01-11-2018 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildthing (Post 9882111)
I would personally try to make sure I could get Ethernet to any TV or any other Internet-connected device that doesn't move. Then the WiFi could be reserved for truly mobile devices and other "smart" devices that can only connect via WiFi.

I found that even with an advertised "250Mbps", I can only get close to that speed while on Ethernet, and would be useful for consuming online video services.

I have not needed to try any of those "extenders" or "mesh" type of devices so can't help you there. Though a podcast I've been listening to has been advertising "eero".

This. Royal PITA to do but well worth it.

onewhippedpuppy 01-12-2018 03:59 AM

I installed a Google mesh type system in my in-laws’ 6000 sq ft 3 level home. It seems to provide consistent strong coverage throughout, where before their service supplier’s router would not reach many points upstairs.

At home I do not have Ethernet wiring in the walls so I am using Powerline adapters to our desktop and son’s PS4. It transmits internet through the electrical cables and gives the full 100 MBPS that I pay for consistently.

red-beard 01-12-2018 04:00 AM

I recently installed a Netgear AC5000 router, R8300, Nighthawk X8. It changed everything! The 'beam forming multiple antennas have widened the Wi-Fi around the house and I'm getting 750bps WiFi speeds.

Rtrorkt 01-12-2018 05:00 AM

https://amplifi.com
have this mesh system. Works great, looks good and is scalable. I have added one new mesh point in the garage, easy to do and very effective. No dropped signals. Arris router is connected to Cox

jyl 01-12-2018 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 9882320)
750bps WiFi speeds.

Hmm

stealthn 01-12-2018 12:57 PM

Cisco Meraki

masraum 01-12-2018 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealthn (Post 9883105)
Cisco Meraki, I'll even get you a free one. You just have to watch a seminar

http://meraki.cisco.com/webinars?ref=1PUMI3P

Dude! You got me all worked up. I was ready to watch whatever seminar I had to, and then I read...

"...Limit one free AP per organization and per individual.

By accepting the AP you represent that you are authorized by your employer to accept the AP and that you will disclose receipt of the AP to your employer as and if required...."

I work for a VERY large company where, I suspect, someone has either already done this, or if "they" ever found out, they'd probably be pretty grumpy.

Quote:

Full-time IT professionals can receive a FREE Cisco Meraki MR access point (AP)* with a 3-year cloud management license. While Cisco Meraki webinars are open to all audiences and while APs may be offered at live events, to be eligible for a free AP, participants must:

Attend the live event or the live webinar in its entirety
Provide a valid company name and website
Be an IT professional working in one of the countries listed below and have an active role of managing, maintaining, or monitoring their organization’s network infrastructure, and be employed by the company
Not be a partner, reseller, or consultant
Register with a shipping address in the US, Canada, the UK or the rest of the EEA, Croatia, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Thailand, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, or Puerto Rico. We cannot ship free APs outside of these regions and cannot ship to post office boxes.
If from a European country, provide a valid VAT ID for shipment.
Register with their company email address
Confirm satisfaction of the above requirements and shipping address with a Cisco Meraki representative by phone


Free AP’s are not available under this promotion for partners, resellers, or consultants, and the promotional AP’s may not be used for resale or distribution. Limit one free AP per organization and per individual.

By accepting the AP you represent that you are authorized by your employer to accept the AP and that you will disclose receipt of the AP to your employer as and if required. Cisco Meraki reserves the right to not fulfill your free AP shipment in the event that the promotional AP is not certified in your country, or it is unable to clear customs at the time of shipment. The recipient is responsible for taxes and duties, if any. Due to abuse, we cannot provide promotional APs to individuals who register with yahoo, gmail, hotmail, and other email domains not registered to your company. Please speak directly to your Cisco Meraki rep if you have any questions.

stealthn 01-12-2018 01:54 PM

Alright, let me clear it first, people need networks at home too

mikester 01-12-2018 02:40 PM

I use meraki at home but I also work for Cisco so...

masraum 01-12-2018 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikester (Post 9883245)
I use meraki at home but I also work for Cisco so...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mr FancyPants!

jhynesrockmtn 01-12-2018 05:15 PM

I bought a google mesh for my house due to the weird layout and drop location for my network. My goal was to get much better coverage which it did but I would not recommend it. I've had too many issues with devices not connecting reliably and questionable tech support.

mikester 01-12-2018 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9883378)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mr FancyPants!

I also have a Standard cisco setup in parallel for lab purposes. :)

You know, wave 2, mgig, etc...

KFC911 01-13-2018 01:31 AM

Damn networking geeks....I got nuthin' :)

RKDinOKC 01-13-2018 02:14 AM

Trying to save some ISP monies. Changing from a Cox business connection to a newly available (in my area) AT&T business connection. AT&T is $70 a month cheaper for the same speeds.

Where the cox modem just has one 1 gb ethernet port and I have my own routers and wifi routers, the AT&T modem is a 4 port ehternet and wifi router.

Did I just mess up my network?

Rtrorkt 01-13-2018 05:17 AM

just checked my amplifi system speed. Connected to Cox, 380 download, 32 upload

masraum 01-13-2018 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC (Post 9883709)
Trying to save some ISP monies. Changing from a Cox business connection to a newly available (in my area) AT&T business connection. AT&T is $70 a month cheaper for the same speeds.

Where the cox modem just has one 1 gb ethernet port and I have my own routers and wifi routers, the AT&T modem is a 4 port ehternet and wifi router.

Did I just mess up my network?

? Why would you have messed up your network? Just don't use or better yet, disable the ATT wifi. only use whatever Eth port you need on the ATT gear.

RKDinOKC 01-13-2018 05:33 AM

Derp on my part, that would make the most sense. Just use the AT&T Uverse box as a modem like am using the cable modem.

stealthn 01-13-2018 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikester (Post 9883245)
I use meraki at home but I also work for Cisco so...

In which area Mike?


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