Hope this one doesn't look too ugly to you, it looks so great to me. Claimed to be modified by Kremer using mostly l Kremer and 935 parts ...showing at dp935 registry before in white color ... After market Martini Livery though.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9e74060bc9.jpg

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I saw a slant the other day at Harbor Freight parking lot and I must say it looked pretty damn cool. They look much better in person.

I've always prefered the Kremer over the factory slantnoses. Something about the way it is more rounded. I think the livery helps it out.

I personally would not spend money to back-date a 911 and wouldn't consider purchasing a 911 that was back-dated.

But .....Opinions vary. It's their car and their money. They can do whatever they want with it. (except sell it to me ;) )

I am in the middle of a backdate on an '89 chassis, the reasoning for me was that the earlier cars were lighter (those bumpers are heavy) and the car has a more elegant, delicate look. I have had a later car, Porsche did a great job of adapting the 911 to the 5 mph bumper standard, but it still made the car look fat.

As for what anyone thinks about it, well, shall we say I really do not care....

Dennis

Hey man, your advance photography skill makes that look kile a Tamiya model. BTW, I like that 935 look, for a race car, and even on a street car, just not the cab.

This is what I am playing (paying) with now. Not a back date.

My other pain in the ass project. That RUF bumper is coming off. Anyone want to buy it? I think its front and rear.

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BTW, that's not my cabinet shop.

Here's my backdate hotrod. I did it two years ago. All my fiends told me I was nuts, that I would lose my A$$ on a backdate Frankenstein. One year from starting the project it was in Excellence Magazine, Total 911, and Esses. I sold it to a SpaceX executive for six figures. I used the profit to buy my 997 Turbo. That backdate was the best thing I ever did. I don't really miss it. The 997TT is much more functional.



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I've always drooled every time you post pics of that car Craig...

....as I wipe my chin and keyboard :)

Thanks KC.

The R-Gruppe guys turned their nose up at me. The 911 Registry guys turned their nose up at my backdate as well. All the "purists" discounted it. Funny, it was lighter, faster, and handled better than any of the original 911s or RGroupe cars. I thank Magnus every day that I drive my free 997TT. He's the one who created the market outside of the purists. ...a market of enthusiasts more interested in a fun and pure Driving Experience then whether a car has the correct license plate bolts or is the original color.

Haha it was taken by professional in a PCA car meet event. I was lucky to pick this up almost 5 years ago. It is a 86 930 turbo converted to 935k2 street . Around 550HP on 3.3 engine.

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Pretty sure people were laughing at this guy too. 82 SC backdate $227k.
@ CraigT, I totally get the 997 thing... Recently picked up a 997.2 Carrera S and its a helluv a car.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-porsche-911sc-4-2/

Ahh, for the days when these were just cars and people didn't build longhoods out of sc's just to flip them.
No disrespect to anyone here, but the parade on BAT has become a bit much.
That rusted out e28 M5 might get a bid from me yet.

Lol! What? Too lazy or too poor? Love the left handed insult.

My opinion is that backdating is a fad that has passed. Some people are just hanging on too long. To each their own.

I still like the back dates to longhood-look. IMO, the early cars are still the best looking 911s, and if you can lighten an impact bumper car in the process of doing the backdate, it’s all good!

I like the longnose look. It looks more integrated. I have a baby bumper car ('88) and I like the way it looks too, but it looks like what it is, a clunky modification of an integrated design. Once the various tails started appearing, Butzi's beautiful design became something else. Interesting in its own right, but not the tight, all of a piece design of the original 911. The slantnose was a further departure. Its shape worked as a race car because race cars are often compromises of design. But as a street car or a cab, no, never liked it.

You know Greg, that damn green car of your has my heart beating a little faster every time I see those pics you posted. Now that I have had chance at it, it will be done soon.

Agreed. That is one sweet-ass car.

I'd love to take credit for Craig's build...
Craig, no insult intended. I'm cool with guys at the head of the parade.

I did the backdate because I couldn't afford a real pre-73 hot rod. I had the time and the ability to do a lot of the labor myself, so figured it was as close as I was going to get to a real one. I had no intention of flipping it. When I started mine, backdates were considered "frankensteins" and good ones were only $30-$40K. I assumed I would lose my A$$. I only paid $5K for the donor 75, so I didn't care. I thought I'd keep it forever. ...Until...Magnus got famous...Then people started giving me unsolicited offers. The value reached a point where it was irresponsible not to take. I do believe they will come crashing down soon, as the market is flooded with them. I miss it sometimes...Like now...But can't regret selling when the market was hot. I'd never really made money on a car before.

This event was for "Illegal Exhaust" and "no front license plate". :mad:

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Damn $227K that makes me want to build another - Naw pretty happy with my 996TT

I did one on my faithful old SC... It was a fun experience, I learned a lot in wrenching, welding, painting, etc... I regret it tremendously as far as the final product however. Not because it did not look good, it did, but because a) the SC deserved to remain an SC in hindshight and mostly b) the finished product still DROVE like an SC, absolutely not like a longhood... (despite the weight loss) Since I was after the "feel" or an early car and not just the look, I was disappointed. I bought an early car and sold the backdate...

I don't think it'll ever be as bad as slantnose (at least for me, because I find slantnoses ugly and unappealing), since I like the end result aesthetically... But as Impact bumpers car increase in value I can see some "undo" happening in a decade...

Backdating - its not just for breakfast anymore!
 

Nothing is sillier (IMHO) than the craze for unrestored, AKA ORIGINAL cars. What is funnier than a "barn find original" with rust, failing paint and a dirty engine compartment sitting on the lawn next to a pristine example that has taken years and countless dollars to revive. What person walks up and says: WOW! Look at this heap next to this bright, shinny and immaculate car! Keep your restored junk and let me pay some premium $$$ for this wore-out, original car. Any chance you've got a set of rotting, bias-ply -nylon cord tires to go with it? I really want only ORIGINAL!
Backdating, painting, upholstering, engine mods - you name it; it's mine. I bought it. I spent the money. I get positive feedback everywhere I go and most importantly I love driving it as well as the way it looks. What early 911 doesn't look better with some wide tires on Fuchs. Lowered? Looks awesome! That Mopar metallic Blue? Hey it sparkles and looks way better than the Porsche Gemini Blue - Dude it was originally grey (or Sepia Brown). You've ruined it.
Just my two cents. Buy one. Do what you want with it (REALLY? You put Chevy small block in it?). Enjoy it. A guy told me once he wanted to buy a Mercedes 450 SL to but a V8 in it. I just looked at him and said "that's so cool!" http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1516297133.jpg

^^^needs more rubber. ;)

I agree, it is your car, do with it what you please, treat it like you want.

I prefer a mostly original car. HOWEVER, my 85 has Turbo tie rods, one step up bigger torsion bars, and the OEM Boge shoks are in the landfill, and it has Bilstiens on it now. I added a fan to the front oil cooler, and upgrade the crap out of the AC system so that I can drive it on the hottest days in comfort. I had to buy 17 rims just to get decent tires but the factory 15 inch Fuchs are in the attic waiting for the day someone makes decent tires for 15s.

It is my car, and I drive in (gasp) in the rain and on long road trips. It has been to 39 states and it will make it to all 48 contiguous states. It has been to Canada already. It is not some low mileage garage queen and far from a 100 point concours car, but it is dang pretty, and I get a lot of compliments on it.

914 guys have been doing it for years. I for one am pretty tired of seeing late cars with the wrong bumpers.

Craig, he should have given you an award, not a ticket. I'm moving to a front plate state (Va) next year and not looking forward to it.

I'm all about modified cars. Mine is a non original Honda black pearl metalic, with a rs wing and a ruf bumper. Its not stylish. But if suddenly modded 911 rose to irresponsible money I'd be with you and in a 997 turbo in a heartbeat. I still look at them and pine, but my targa has been here almost 20 years and is like part of the family.

I like modified cars, and really like the backdated hotrods in particular. However, I don't really think the bodywork mods will be ageless.

Car modifications for performance age better than ones for aesthetics. If you drop a bunch of weight in the backdating process I guess you could say it is a performance thing, but in general its for show

I have to agree.

Tack on fiber glass to a honda adding two hundred pounds of weight? Just not attractive twenty years later...

A real performance body build? Nice looking.

I watched a few minutes of Barrett Jackson last night while eating dinner. They had a '71 911 T go across the block that had been updated to look like a 964, then backdated from that with a RS rear and IROC(?) front bumper, and painted a powder blue like an IROC car. They left the turbo flares and 964 mirrors, it went for $60,000.

1971 PORSCHE 911T CUSTOM COUPE - 212548

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looks singer like, but not as bad as an actual singer, not that clean and "finished"
singers look even more plastic then this one.

I am getting back into Porsche ownership...if the in person check goes well (and I have no reason to think it will not) I'll be buying a 1982 Targa.

No rust but it will need paint, has a whale tail and modified front bumper already installed.

All of the original bits will be coming with the car.

My plan is to get it mechanically sorted and drive it as is for a bit and decide what I want to do with the exterior. I will be updating the a/c, suspension, etc. as well.

Frankly I would prefer to do a backdate and replace the impact bumpers completely. I have been searching the www for the past week and have followed dozens of threads here and at other sites...that is how I found this one.

Anyway, any info on kits, experiences, etc. would be greatly appreciated. I have room to keep all the original parts.

Congrats Paul!!!

Paul, about time you got back into a 911! Good job.

Seahawk, If I was to do it again, and had your 82, I wouldn't backdate. I'd just...

1. Take out the factory seats and replace them with light weight Recaro's.
2. Pull the rear seats and toss in a LW RS carpet kit.
3. Pull the impact pumpers (and all the dead weight that go with them) and replaced with Getty fiberglass IROC style.
4. Getty lightweight ducktail rear deckled (or flat).
5. Replace rear and side glass with Lexan from TRE.
6. Bump up suspension with some larger diameter hollow torsion bars and adjustable sway bars from Tarett.

That would make the car a couple hundred pounds lighter and transform the handling. The style is cool and you could still put it back to stock easily if needed. Once you start cutting metal to backdate, it's very expensive to go back.

You said she needs paint. You can paint everything at one time.

You'd have something like this...


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Do you put something behind the fiberglass bumpers? I never did on my 930, but did think of ways to beef it up in the case of a shunt.

I like what Craig has to offer, a nice driving hotrod while still authentic to the SC roots.

I know that this isn't exactly what everyone things when they hear the term backdate, but, I thought the RSR was a 1972 and I wanted one. I was disappointed that I couldn't find a 72 to start with so I backdated a 73


...then I found out that the factory RSR was a 73

Here is my backdate.
(actually, having gotten the year right, I guess I tried to do a backdate but failed):D


P.S.
To me these wide body mods are legitimate since back in the day Porsches were often modified
The factory supplied an entire racing catalogue to do just that.

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