From the white woman who recorded the video.

The police were called because these men hadn’t ordered anything. They were waiting for a friend to show up, who did as they were taken out in handcuffs for doing nothing. All the other white ppl are wondering why it’s never happened to us WHEN WE DO THE SAME THING.

Guess you had to be there, like she was.

When one feels that they are being treated differently and they have a suspicion of why then yeah, maybe I'd not leave either. Because if I do get arrested maybe, just maybe, it exposes the issue.

If you want to turn a blind eye to how some people are treated differently from others in the same situation because of a physical trait that they can't possibly change and you want to pretend that it's somehow their fault then have at it.

This issue is about whether they were asked to leave because of who they were, not because they did not buy something or because they had to pee, or because their friend was late.

They obviously felt they were being treated differently and had the balls to take it the whole nine yards.

I respect that.

I am kind of curious how think their actions hurt blacks? Calling attention to an issue that most minorities deal with regularly.

Hurting black people? As if the problem goes away as long as everyone stays quiet and pretends it does not happen. How the **** does that help anyone?

I guess it hurts them in your eyes because it challenges your perception of the issue. God forbid you may have to honestly face the reality that this is what life is like on a daily basis for minorities.

Much easier to bury your head in the sand and blame them for being treated unfairly because they are.....

To reiterate, because it seems lost of many here, were they asked to leave because of who they were, or what they were or were not doing?

I still don't think it's been clarified as to whether the men were asked to leave before the police were called. If they were and refused, that's why the police were called and why they were arrested. I'd find it hard to believe the police would come if a store manager just called and asked them to come. They'd probably have to claim some kind of disturbance or crime. The police dispatcher would have asked them something like, "Did you ask them to leave? Are they refusing or causing a problem?" They don't just send police there for the asking. If the police then repeated the request to leave they got all, "Why, what did we do," then that's still trespassing.

No, the Police were called after they were asked and refused to leave.

No one including them is disputing that.

The question is, WHY were they asked to leave.

According to witnesses they were just sitting there waiting, not causing a disturbance and doing the same thing that other people were doing, using the facility without having purchased anything yet.

You're wrong.

A Starbucks employee called the cops on a white customer because --when asked for his name for the cup call-- he said Trump.

Another Starbucks employee called the cops on a couple young white women customers because they were laughing so hard at an elephant noise one of them made.

So back the virtue signaling truck up and consider that employees at Starbucks are not always willing to take sheet from people in their workplace. Especially non-customers who give lip by calling the employees racists.

Would it have made a difference if the manager of the Starbucks was black and made the same call?

exactly.

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Pregnant white women - no bathroom for you!

https://youtu.be/smnGH4yf9kU?t=40s

Old White woman camped out at a Starbucks, asked to leave, refuses, cops called, woman booted.

https://youtu.be/nSDc4CPEvE0

Two young White women (paying customers) kicked out of a Sbux for goofing off making "elephant noises"

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That was a year ago and they just moved on.

And then there was the time, 2016, when Sbux called the cops on a guy because he said his name was TRUMP. (you know, for the cup name)

Here's a Bernie supporter talking about the the vid incident.

https://youtu.be/o8V26WuzoQA?t=51s

But Starbucks employees only calls the cops on Blacks. :rolleyes:

It was reported that manager asked anyone that came in to use the B room...did not purchase anything...to leave.
Is this a large or small SBucks....is it in a part of town where folks live on the street and use storefronts for bathroom facilities.

Looks like social justice warrior BS to me.

There’s a restaurant called Rouge on Rittenhouse Square near this Starbucks. Last year my white wife and I were meeting friends (another couple) for lunch. No reservation, we walked in and sat at a table. When the waitress asked us what we wanted, we said nothing we were meeting another couple. That is the end of that story. How many of you have sat in a restaurant and ordered nothing as you were waiting for a friend or two and had the same experience? This is not the experience of everyone.

but you intended to have your lunch there? Or no?

Why couldn't these apparently well educated, articulate, well-spoken, gainfully employed men talk their way out of a paper bag when approached by a lowly Starbucks manager? The same way you explained yourself to the hostess at the restaurant?

Is it rampant unapologetic racism, or is it something else?

Who said that?

No one, that's who.:rolleyes:

Of course there are a variety of reasons the cops may be called on customers.

Some valid reasons, some not.

It's the some not, and specifically why, we are discussing here.

Is there a pattern to this specific Starbucks, that's the question, because if they are selectively enforcing a (self imposed) policy then that's a problem.

Actually no.

This might come as a surprise to some of ya'll but there are actually blacks who don't like blacks.

Same as whites who don't like white people, or latinos who don't like latinos, gays who don't like gays...

The race, religion, sexual orientation, ..... of the antagonist is irelevant.

It's the specific attribute of the recipient that prompts someone to treat them in an unequal manner for no other reason than that specific attribute that determines whether or not discrimination has occurred.

Uhm, they did.

They said nothing, they were waiting for a friend.

The difference appears to be in how the recipient of that information, the manager, consciously and willingly, decided to deal with it.

What maters more is how busy the place is.

Everyone should consider what it must be like to be a Starbucks drone. And there are so many of them. All kinds of people have been booted (see my earlier post) and when., after decades of business, a couple loiterers, who happen to be Black get booted everyone starts tripping over each other to cry racism.

I take it you have not bothered to watch the video, cause damn if that place did not look packed to the gills.

Mreid has a video from Rouge on Rittenhouse Square?

For the record I feel a bit dirty defending that syrupy PC liberal over-priced coffee house from the PC monster that they encourage.

OTOH I can't stand the racism battle cry when ever an incident like this happen.

It's divisive and unnecessary. --I don't care how virtuous it makes you feel to see racism everywhere.


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You don't know the answer to that and keep implying it's racism. And all you have to support that implication is anecdotal arguments that aren't cutting any mustard.....

Give it up. You're not convincing anyone who believes differently. All you're sowing is division and hate. And what you ignorantly fail to understand is that when you're asked to leave a place of business when you're not a customer you leave. Period. You're not a customer and you have no special "rights" due to your skin color, sex, weight or anything else. Why doesn't matter. You're a nuisance and you're trespassing.

Classy dudes would not demand/accept a payoff...or refuse to leave a business when the proprietor requested they do so. This puts every business on notice that black customers (or employees) may well be there to cause trouble...so they can extort the owners later.

It happens all the time to white folks...except they typically leave when asked to (because they see no payoff in getting arrested).

I'll just leave this here so everyone can see what a classy dude is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1BB0rhuLEo

No, I keep asking do we know it’s NOT a racist incident as you and others with the same anecdotal information keep insisting.

What we do know is that Lib-coffee-bux does not have some epidemic of hiring racist employees.

We also see an over reaction to ONE incident. -- People tripping over each other with their concern that this could have been partly motivated by the loiterer's Black Maleness. And then we are all supposed to pretend that some potentially racist bux employee wouldn't be fired without massive public outcry. It's ridiculous.

The 'reparations coffee guy' (vid above) underscores the absurdity of it all.

Island, you do realize this cuts both ways...right?

Of course.

Are you here to tell me of my White Privilege?

How about my tall privilege?

And what about my IQ privilege?

I am an old man...and have never seen a person kicked out of an establishment for their race (as best I can ascertain). There is nothing that would make me think that was the case here. As far as I know, race was never mentioned, the manager has not been outed as a KKK member, etc.. Bad things happen to folks of all race all the time when they misbehave. If you break the law, you should not expect an exception due to race. If you break the rules (this Strabuck reportedly had a rule that they would make people leave if they were loitering without buying anything)...it seems that you have no excuse/recourse unless you play the race card. They you are enriched. Not exactly a way to encourage appropriate behavior...or promote racial harmony. If the manager was not a racist before (unlikely she was)...she probably is now (and unemployed/unemployable).

Not really. If you are a member of a gross majority, there are just not enough of other races to realize "privilege". It would be great to play me some pro basketball though.

Now you're just showing your ignorance. You have anecdotal information and we're presenting you with facts:

They did not buy anything and were not customers.

They were asked to leave and refused.

They were warned that if they didn't leave the police would be called.

The police were called.

They still refused to leave.

They were handcuffed and taken into custody.

They said they were victims of racism and sued.

You have any FACTS that show this is racism? If not maybe you should give it up. You're losing.

For the slower one, I'm saying that skin tone is way down there when it comes to my "privilege."

And, if anything, currently, darker than White skin in America is a net positive.
We had 8 years of Obama in large part because of his skin pigment. --this is a comment to current cultural psyche, not politics. The overwhelming cultural thinking is that being darker skinned is better, as it represents a person who has experienced a more interesting life struggle.

Look at college admissions. Smart and Hard working Asians and Whites are pushed aside to make room for 'diversity' --which is not diversity of thought or experience, but rather a visual diversity for PC appearances.

Exactly!

How can MLK Jr's dream be realized when people can, and DO, game White guilt like that?

Blacks would be smart to police their own who pull crap like that -- playing the race card to cover petty behavior.

And Whites need to quit encouraging. It's pathetic and feeds the divisiveness. --again, see the reparations coffee vid.

As long as skin color is considered an excuse for any behavior, folks with exploitable skin colors will not behave. As far as i am concerned, not holding races to the same standards as everyone else is racism (low expectations)...the worst kind.

Do you have any FACTS that show it was not racism?

We have witness statements they were sitting quietly and did nothing to attract attention other than ask to use the bathroom.

Statements that include wondering why they were asked to leave when others doing the same were not the only difference being, well we know that already.

Based on that you have no option but to lean more to asking the question, was this racism, than concluding, as you have done with the same facts, that it was not.

You keep losing and come back for more?? The facts prove that they were trespassing. It doesn't matter if it was racism or not. You can't prove it is and I can't prove it wasn't. So what? They were wrong. The proprietor had every right to ask them to leave and they had no right to stay. If you're trespassing on my property I get to tell you to leave or have you arrested. I can do that and be the biggest racist in the world. Or not.

sigh...

Here's the thing... Most Black Starbucks "customers" (loitering to meet a Craigslist buy or whatever) are not asked to leave.

So stop pretending that those two in Philly were the first Blacks to loiter in a Starbucks. It strains all credibility. It's just ridiculous.

Tummymonk, have you ever loitered in a Starbucks or other coffee shop?

While I usually buy something right away, sometimes I'll wait for my friend(s) to arrive. And in those moments I can feel the employees look at me with WTF are you doing eyes. -employees like/expect a rhythm . Hell, they get weirded out if you pause to look at the menu.

Coffee shop employees often don't get a lot of control. For the most part they jump to orders. But, their workspace... that is one thing that they are supposed to be able to control. And now that's gone.

How about loitering at the best table, at the best Starbucks in the world? (beach-front west Maui)

This dude cracked me up.

He was sitting there with his wife and a long lens, casually taking snaps of beach hotties.

He was camped out there for hours.

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but at least he packed his own drink... :D
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I actually hate that term “white privilege”. This is a made up bs term that liberals use in an attempt to explain away their own white guilt. There is a ridiculous video on YouTube of a white college professor trying to demonstrate the concept by setting up a race and then telling everyone who had both parents living at home to take a step forward, had their college paid for to take another step, etc. Now, start the race and those who took all the extra steps would win. I would have been in the back row, yet I’m white. What happened?

I’m in NYC today for my oldest daughters 30th birthday. My wife and I walked into the Starbucks on Union Square this morning and sat down. Didn’t order anything. After sitting for about 15 minutes, I noticed a woman of meager means hovering around the bathroom (it had a keypad that required a code from the barista). A paying customer entered the code and went in the bathroom. The woman then moved closer as if she was next in line. As soon as the paying customer exited, the woman caught the door and went into the bathroom. It was a single unisex toilet. No one asked us to leave, but I then noticed this sign posted next to the toilet door.

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When they first entered they were NOT trespassing. It only became trespassing AFTER they were asked to leave and refused. No one is disputing that and I'm not sure why you keep trying to debate it.

The question is WHY were they trespassed?

It very well could have been that managers own policy re paying and non paying customers or it could have been something else.

Yes, Starbucks will trespass people, but it is far from the expected norm.

The widely accepted perception of Starbucks is a place that you can go, sit, use the WIFI, without having to purchase.

Are you familiar with the term "loss leader", it's a strategy whereby a business sells or gives away something for a loss because doing so will generate other sales of products or services with high profit margins.

That's what Starbucks does, they invite people in because most of them will ultimately buy something.

Their business model is providing a place to sit while offering the opportunity to buy something.

When things go down against the expected norm then every normal person is going to ask why, including you. If you just stand up and comply then I'm sorry for you and understand why you don't get this.

And you are so wrong.

It does matter if it was racially based, that's all that matters.

No business owner can trespass you for being a minority.

They can make up anything else they want (lie) as a reason but the reason can't be race based.

Which is why the question needs to be asked.