Are you sure it's just because you are not purchasing at the moment or do you look like a deranged serial killer rapist? :D

Post a pic so we can see.

Does it?

Seriously, we live in a time where people are hyper sensitive to even the potential of racism. Which is widely known and obvious, and why, when asked to leave, those two played the race card immediately. --a knee jerk defense mechanism to claim victim status when actually in the wrong.

Maybe I need to stop wearing that black trench coat and no pants. You know, switch to a tan trench coat. :cool:

See what I did thar? :cool:

one other thing on this...
It is NOT that the question needs to be asked.

There is no asking in this situation. There is nothing but TELLING.

First the loitering men TELLING It's because I'm Black

And then the media; Oh look because Black! Show us your OutRage!

Race-gaming. It's been going on for decades. Are you proud of that?

Those men forced an arrest as part of the game.

A game predicated on everyone playing along with the narrative that Blacks get to be judge and jury of what is in another's mind. (which is to cry Racist!)

Maybe it would not be such a knee jerk reaction if when it happens to be actual discrimination the knee jerk defense mechanism is not "they are playing the victim card".

Sure... let's pretend that that's a big problem. :rolleyes:

I will tell you, seriously, the one huge advantage that Whites have over Blacks (in the USA) is; when we get kicked out of where-ever, or don't get a promotion, or get crap service attitude at a diner... we have advantage in that we haven't been brainwashed in to believing that every such problem might be due to racism. --it's freeing.

Let me add that i get that you want to stamp out racism everywhere. (who doesn't?)

But.. at what cost? Are you willing to have massive amounts of 'reverse racism" (which is racism) to rid the world (not going to happen) of people using race to decide how they treat another?

As it is now Blacks have an easy time claiming racism. That is to say, they get the benefit of the doubt by most. So much so that some make sport of it. Just for fun. -- See the "Reparations coffee" vid earlier. The man brilliantly illustrates this phenomena. Hell, I'm surprised that the barista didn't offer him the whole espresso machine.

It's ridiculous.

It's tedious.

Continue to play the victim-card at your own risk.

I assume you have experienced racism; never welcomed, always perpetrated by lesser, angry souls who want to prove that there is someone in their worthless lives beneath them.

So have I. I have written here before that I am "Whitey McWhitey" on the outside but a happy, well adjusted minority on the inside.

California in the 60's was (and in many places still is) a very difficult place for Hispanic appearing people. I say "appearing" because there was no effort by Anglos to distinguish a Mexican from a Spaniard, a Chilean from a Honduran. Human nature to this day.

They/we were all Beaners.

My mother's side of the family, Spanish, was determined to succeed and has. Their view of racism (which they all faced) was a remarkable mix of tenacity, obdurance, and perhaps not surprisingly, racism.

Portuguese were a particular target. My Great Uncles all had ranches in the SFV and for some reason the Portuguese were viewed as lesser lights from Spaniards. While my mother marrying an Anglo was a bit of a scandal (they all loved my father except, in the beginning, the color of his skin) but had she brought a Portuguese home it would have been over.

All others, including whites (especially "nice whites"), were viewed as competitors. We were to compete and win. Education, family, honesty and diligence were not options, they were requirements.

Being black in America in 2018 only requires those same requirements for success. Nothing more, nothing less. My grandmother would have knocked me loopy if I came home and said some Barrista wasn't nice to me, racist.

I can hear her now: "Of course they are racist...all humans are. Now go start your homework."

I have been kicked out of places, required to buy something to utilize facilities, etc.. It never occurred to me that it was because I am part Native American. I do look a lot like Elizabeth Warren (Pocahantas). High cheekbones...doncha know? These days, I am not kicked out of places like I once was...because i generally follow the rules. Although I was from the sticks, and did not have much experience with stores and city folks, I quickly realized that folks who invest in businesses generally set rules to preserve their investment and i could either take them my business on their terms or go elsewhere. Incentive to learn was that it was embarrassing to be treated like crap...and, of course, no one was going to pay me big bucks to "compensate" me for being treated poorly (even though I am a minority). Of course, Native Americans are not "protected" from the world once they/their relatives leave the reservation. They are more like Asians...who have to pull their own weight and follow the rules.

Where/when I grew up, it had nothing to do with race. It was all about your place in society. Poor people like me were trailer trash. The more money or where you lived determined your social class. Education and hard work changed your position. I have a vacation home in the subdivision where to rich snobs lived when I was in high school. Just because.

Of course, "rich" to me was probably middle class to most.

Monkey Stomach is really quite stupid. No business owner can trespass you for being a minority? I can't believe you're this full of sh it. Maybe next you'll tell us you can read minds. You're trespassing you're out. No one need give you a reason. And you're not entitled to ask for one.

What is confusing me is that I associate Starbucks as being liberal utopia's. I thought I read stories after the election where people were refused service due to being Trump supporters?

How about the time a barista called the police on a man that wanted Trump on his cup?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C70zf9Mex7Y



I also remember Starbucks corporate stating they would gladly hire all ME refugees and then were hit with a huge backlash for not doing the same for Veterans. Then they tried to roll out a campaign showing they were hiring veterans which they are, as far as I am concerned it should have been the first thought not an afterthought to do damage control.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/retail/veterans-at-starbucks-respond-to-call-for-boycott-over-hiring-refugees/



So here I am, looking through this thread perplexed, is Starbucks a Liberal Utopia or a bunch of racists throwing out black men?

Seems maybe the ones arguing that these men were just jerks who refused to leave because they intended to pull the race card might just be spot on.

Many articles fail to mention Starbucks gave them men a payout that has been kept private. The $1 ploy was just that. If they really really care, they will divulge the Starbucks payout amount and give that to charity as well.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/05/02/starbucks-two-men-arrested-philly-reach-settlement/573644002/

You can't.

You can if you lie about it.

But no, you can't.

The Starbucks Veterans program started in 2013.

Committed to hiring 10k veterans by 2018, they hit 5,500 late 2015, ahead of schedule

The ME announcement was 2017.

Easily verifiable if you are interested in doing your own research.

I link the story. You got the gist. That was not the point of my entire post. The point was no one has ever accused Starbucks of being racist, until now.

But do the typical forum thing, find one piece that is wrong hyper focus and ignore all the rest.


Did they get a payout from Starbucks?

Did a starbucks employee call the police on a white man because he wanted a certain name on the cup?

Maybe Starbucks is not racist?

Maybe those guys made a problem where there was not one and if they were actually classy dudes they would have just left when accused of loitering?

Nope, lets concentrate on the dates when the Veterans plan and Refugee plans rolled out because THAT is what this thread wall about.

Yes, and because of my genetic makeup most people can't really figure out what I am.

As I'm very well spoken, so I've been told, people don't realize that I'm a minority.

Let's just say it means they tend to let their guard down and speak more freely around me.

The well spoken thing is a good example. When people eventually find out about my background one of the more common things I've heard is, "I would never have guessed, you speak so well"

I just laugh at them, they actually think that's a compliment, as if I'd managed to overcome some genetic defect that should render me incapable of "speaking well"

No one is accusing Starbucks of being racist.

The accusation is those guys were booted from Starbucks by a racist manager.

Next time check your facts and I won't hyper focus on the stuff that's glaringly wrong. Or actually read your own sources, your linked article has a link to the announcement from Starbucks where it clearly states the Vets program was initiated in 2013.

I did not address the rest because it's even less relevant to the topic at hand.

You will not address the rest because it blows apart your accusation of racism.

Keep focusing on those dates.

I did not address the rest because it's a rambling questioning of who or what Starbucks is with a whatism or two sprinkled in with bad information.

It would have had more relevance it you'd simply typed and posted "provolone"