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Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 08:53 AM

Go karts at Niagara Falls
 
Just wanted to share as the go karts here are built by my company. The track is my design. This is the biggest multi-level go kart track in existence today and it cost a fortune. Hope they recoup their money, probably gonna take a while.

https://www.cliftonhill.com/attractions/niagara-speedway

Nickshu 05-24-2018 08:58 AM

Whoa that track looks super fun!

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 09:31 AM

Couple of guys from work went out there a few weeks ago to setup the karts. They said the top of the spiral was a little intimidating the first time as you can't see the track below you.

vash 05-24-2018 09:33 AM

that looks awesome!!

just exactly do you do for a living? (and why didnt i choose that career path?)

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 10048879)
that looks awesome!!

just exactly do you do for a living? (and why didnt i choose that career path?)

Thanks, LOL. We manufacture go-karts, bumper boats and batting cage equipment for entertainment centers around the world.

I'm the designer/ graphics guy/photographer/tech manual creator/parts call operator, etc, etc.
I draw up "conceptual" plans for tracks that are designed to meet our requirements. I then work with the local engineers to have the engineering done.

john70t 05-24-2018 09:50 AM

That looks like fun.
My experience is limited but this place http://tampabaygp.com/ has sufficiently fast enough 50mph karts to make a person feel slightly uneasy.

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10048903)
That looks like fun.
My experience is limited but this place http://tampabaygp.com/ has sufficiently fast enough 50mph karts to make a person feel slightly uneasy.

Yeah, I get a little woozy on those as well. Our go karts are slow compared to those, but, they are designed for family fun, not racing.

Tervuren 05-24-2018 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10048903)
That looks like fun.
My experience is limited but this place http://tampabaygp.com/ has sufficiently fast enough 50mph karts to make a person feel slightly uneasy.

It is my observation that anything much over 4MPH and you really find out how bad of a driver people in general are.

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10049006)
It is my observation that anything much over 4MPH and you really find out how bad of a driver people in general are.

LOL, isn't that the truth?!

Scott Douglas 05-24-2018 11:30 AM

So are those karts (yours) slow as in Disneyland Autotopia slow or ??

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 10049032)
So are those karts (yours) slow as in Disneyland Autotopia slow or ??

Nah, not that bad. They are generally tuned for 15 to 20 mph, dependent upon track. Sitting 3 " off the ground they seem kinda fast and fun. Track design is really what helps the fun factor.

Scott Douglas 05-24-2018 12:00 PM

I sure hope those walls will withstand a good hit from a kart or someone is going to be flying off the top of that track.

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 12:04 PM

There is a steel rail and tire barrier around the track inside and out.

Scott Douglas 05-24-2018 12:10 PM

It looks like you get down from the top via the long sloping part of the track. How do you control the downhill speeds?

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 12:14 PM

The clutch engages and kinda helps keep them slowed down. Our guys clocked a max at 20mph on the slope. Using full or no throttle seemed to make no difference. There is also multiple electronic loops in the track that can put karts in slow, medium and go speeds plus pit mode for pit entry. All controlled by multiple attendants around the track.

Scott Douglas 05-24-2018 12:22 PM

Sounds very high tech.

When my brother and I used to race our karts at the track in Oxnard, we thought it was safe as could be. Dad warned us not to flip the karts.
Flip a kart?
No way that was going to happen.

My brother then went out and hit a sunken tire barrier and flipped over shattering his shoulder in the process. I remember making that phone call home from the hospital. Mom all of a sudden came on the phone and asked what I'd just said to my dad. She said he turned white as a sheet and almost passed out when I said we were in the hospital.
Ah, exuberant youth.

porsche4life 05-24-2018 05:03 PM

That’s awesome!

porsche4life 05-24-2018 05:05 PM

Also, how were you not on the first plane out to test that track? That’d be my only stipulation after designing it.

rwest 05-24-2018 05:10 PM

Wow, looks like fun, just did directions and it looks like 14hour drive or ten days walking! to get there.

Where’s the nearest airport?

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 10049351)
Also, how were you not on the first plane out to test that track? That’d be my only stipulation after designing it.

I hear ya. Wanted to go but company didn't want to pay for it. #$%&ers.

Eric Hahl 05-24-2018 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 10049355)
wow, looks like fun, just did directions and it looks like 14hour drive or ten days walking! To get there.

Where’s the nearest airport?

lol!

herr_oberst 05-24-2018 05:52 PM

Looks like a hoot! Nice work, Eric.

Do those Karts have the beans to break the rear tires loose so you can do a complete tail-out drift up the triple corkscrew? Because that would make it so worth 12 New York dollars for five minutes!!

Tobra 05-24-2018 06:47 PM

Looks pretty groovy, like my old AFX track, only with carts

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Eric Hahl 05-31-2018 11:37 AM

A little better video.

Tobra 05-31-2018 12:57 PM

Have to take your word for it, not a facebook person

Bill Douglas 05-31-2018 01:06 PM

Phew, that was fun even watching it.

Eric Hahl 05-31-2018 01:11 PM

How about this one.
https://youtu.be/nvWIuLBnYUY

Mark Henry 05-31-2018 01:20 PM

We go there in the winter for a wagjag deal right beside that, 2 nights family and 4 two day passes to the big water slide park.
OK times, but it's for sure a tourist trap area.

Eric Hahl 05-31-2018 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Henry (Post 10057284)
We go there in the winter for a wagjag deal right beside that, 2 nights family and 4 two day passes to the big water slide park.
OK times, but it's for sure a tourist trap area.

Yes, it's like a mini Orlando.

Mark Henry 05-31-2018 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Hahl (Post 10057291)
Yes, it's like a mini Orlando.

Yes I should have said big for a indoor park. Orlando is massive in comparison.

GWN7 05-31-2018 02:37 PM

Saw advertising for this place last year. People were talking about it being a "have to" visit place to see. :)

LEAKYSEALS951 05-31-2018 02:43 PM

I think this layout is cool- but me stupid and confused.

There seems to be two videos/pics version of the track. In layout one, the downhill has two dips and goes into a right hand spiral helix which goes through one and a half rotations down one full level and lets out back to the start.(Eric's version and pics of the track from the website)

In the second version- the track dips three dips to ground level and then takes about a 180 degree right turn to go back to the start. There is no helix on the lower end. (tobra's video version)

post #23 vs. #27.

I feel like I'm on drugs. Please help!!!!!

I can't tell if the lower helix was an original virtual plan and budgeted out, or if the lower helix was added in later.
Edit- I guess I could go look at the video dates, and figure it out, but I feel since Eric has inside info- he owes us an insider explanation! :)

Eric Hahl 05-31-2018 04:36 PM

No reason to be confused. The version without the second spiral was built first. The owner didn't like it and wanted to add the downhill spiral. Cost a fricken lot of money to tear that section out and rebuild.

Tobra 06-01-2018 07:57 AM

That would be fun going in the reverse direction, drifting down that spiral, instead, you are turning slowly, at Niagara Falls
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