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A930Rocket 06-16-2018 10:53 AM

It's not my kids fault!!!!
 
He's a good kid and it's not his fault he tried to climb the sculpture and it fell over...:rolleyes:

Mom and dad need to pony up and keep an eye on junior.

Kansas city bills parents $132,000 after child damages glass sculpture | Fox News

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stomachmonkey 06-16-2018 10:56 AM

Little pervert was copping a feel.

LOL

Baz 06-16-2018 11:56 AM

Wait 'till the little chit climbs down into a gorilla pen....and the gorilla has to be killed to save the little turd.

In reality...it's the parent's fault and yeah, they should be held accountable.

legion 06-16-2018 11:59 AM

The parents are correct: it's not the child's fault.

I don't think I'd even be in a space like that with my children. If for some reason it was unavoidable, I wouldn't be sitting on a couch letting them wander free.

drkshdw 06-16-2018 12:14 PM

I'm not at all opposed to a leash law for children.

stomachmonkey 06-16-2018 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 10075735)
The parents are correct: it's not the child's fault.

I don't think I'd even be in a space like that with my children. If for some reason it was unavoidable, I wouldn't be sitting on a couch letting them wander free.

I don't think the people on the couch are the parents.

HardDrive 06-16-2018 12:57 PM

Should you be watching your kid? Sure. But I think the hospital was quite negligent in leaving an expensive piece of artwork like that unprotected in a space that will have kids, elderly people, people in wheel chains, etc....

Seahawk 06-16-2018 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 10075790)
Should you be watching your kid? Sure. But I think the hospital was quite negligent in leaving an expensive piece of artwork like that unprotected in a space that will have kids, elderly people, people in wheel chains, etc....

I, with the available data, agree...and no one is more pro manage your kids than me. But there are limits and real accidents.

Baz 06-16-2018 01:27 PM

The art work didn't just fall over because it was bumped into. That kid essentially assaulted and battered that thing.

What if it had been an actual real little girl the kid did the same thing to.......still not the parents or kid's fault?

Or someone's wedding cake on a pedestal?

Or someone's elderly mother in a wheelchair?

Kids are not soldiers but too many parents do not teach let alone enforce the first rule of civility. If it does not belong to you - keep your bloody mitts off.

Jolly Amaranto 06-16-2018 01:39 PM

A model railroad club that I belong to sets up modular train layouts at various shows or in public places like shopping malls. We put stanchions around the display that have two levels of heavy cord to show the boundary between public access and the club members. We have had parents come up, lift the chords and shove their kids under so they can run up and touch the model trains. When admonished by the club members we have been asked "Well, how can my child fully experience the trains without touching them?" Some of the brass model locomotives are valued at over $500.

scottmandue 06-16-2018 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 10075790)
Should you be watching your kid? Sure. But I think the hospital was quite negligent in leaving an expensive piece of artwork like that unprotected in a space that will have kids, elderly people, people in wheel chains, etc....

Doesn't look like a hospital? “Aphrodite di Kansas City,” was on display at an Overland Park community center.

Here?

https://www.opkansas.org/things-to-see-and-do/arts-and-music/

Norm K 06-16-2018 02:56 PM

Would've been a lot more complicated had the child been damaged along with the bust.

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astrochex 06-16-2018 03:01 PM

Sorry parents, should have been watching the kids.

stealthn 06-16-2018 03:08 PM

Reminds me of a story the manager at Lamborghini Calgary told me, a father just watched as him child walked on to the top of a $500k Lamborghini and did nothing until the manager yelled at the father.

Some people need to take more responsibility...

Bill Douglas 06-16-2018 03:19 PM

Time to sell the house to pay for damages. It's all about learning what's OK and what's not OK.

dad911 06-16-2018 04:06 PM

Attractive nuisance. Shared responsibility.

Also not worth the money, apparently it was for sale at that price, and hadn't sold.

scottmandue 06-16-2018 04:09 PM

As a guy who works at a museum you would believe the things kids do... WHEN THE PARENTS ARE STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM!!

I go out on the floor to check my texts (no cell reception at my desk) I hear BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, going on for over a minute.

The sound was coming from the Wright flyer flight simulator, a little guy was pounding the throttle lever back and forth... while his parents where standing there watching/listing to this racket. (I polity intervened)

We also have the rocketdyde control center where they monitored the space shuttle launches, there is a heavy aluminum tube railing (I think it is call speed railing) around it... parents routinely stuff their children through the railing to take picture of their child sitting in one of the chairs.

We also have arctic zone with a ice wall and gloves with different natural insulation (feathers, fur, fat... yes we have lard gloves) the education experience is supposed to be to see how animals naturally insulate themselves from the cold... but of course most of the kids turn it into a game of who can keep their hand on the ice the longest. A floor staff person told me a little kid was licking the ice wall... while his mom watched... floor staff person approached mom and said "that ice is very, very, dirty" mom just looked at staff person funny and let the kid keep licking. :rolleyes:

BeyGon 06-16-2018 04:16 PM

If you are in a place like that and not watching your kid you should have to pay. It isn't the playground or park, it's a gallery, whether someone thinks it's worth the price or not, it was for sale. They need to pay for their carelessness. Probably their insurance will pick up the tab but it should cost them.

scottmandue 06-16-2018 04:22 PM

I can't imaging how they make something like that, pour liquid glass into a mold the grind/polish after it cools?

High end art always has a huge price tag... if I was rich I would have $5-10K paintings hanging in my house (judging from the stuff I like when I visit galleries)

Of course I would have a new(ish) Porsche in a garage... and a $5K watch too.

BeyGon 06-16-2018 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 10075946)
I can't imaging how they make something like that, pour liquid glass into a mold the grind/polish after it cools?

High end art always has a huge price tag... if I was rich I would have $5-10K paintings hanging in my house (judging from the stuff I like when I visit galleries)

Of course I would have a new(ish) Porsche in a garage... and a $5K watch too.

I am hoping to do a glass casting of my Penguin soon. I will get some first hand knowledge. So far I have just cast them in bronze but hope to get this glass thing going in a month. It won't be some 130k thingy tho.

mepstein 06-16-2018 04:32 PM

Community center, not art gallery. Kid is part of the community and doesn’t know the difference between $132K statue and statue at the park. If I had a $132k item at a public area, I’d at least rope it off or secure somehow.

Alansglide 06-16-2018 04:43 PM

It's the parents fault. You take your kids to a public building you're responsible for their actions.

BeyGon 06-16-2018 04:50 PM

Looking at the walls and pedestals in the room, I see it as an art gallery, IN a community center. maintain your children. or pay.

WPOZZZ 06-16-2018 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm K (Post 10075876)
Would've been a lot more complicated had the child been damaged along with the bust.

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Yup. Waiting for the parents to sue because the kid got hurt. Statue should have been secured to the base, or roped off. It is an attractive nuisance and the operators of the venue should have taken it into account. Child is now traumatized and wont drink or eat from fragile dishes/glasses. He is also scared of statues.

A930Rocket 06-16-2018 05:57 PM

If the parents aren't even on the room, it's worse than I thought.

Where are they?

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 10075784)
I don't think the people on the couch are the parents.


Baz 06-16-2018 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ (Post 10075990)

Yup. Waiting for the parents to sue because the kid got hurt. Statue should have been secured to the base, or roped off. It is an attractive nuisance and the operators of the venue should have taken it into account. Child is now traumatized and wont drink or eat from fragile dishes/glasses. He is also scared of statues.

You say that in green font but if you read the article....the parents were already claiming the kid was traumatized plus had physical injuries. :rolleyes:

WPOZZZ 06-16-2018 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 10076046)
You say that in green font but if you read the article....the parents were already claiming the kid was traumatized plus had physical injuries. :rolleyes:

I don't see that in the article. The only thing I saw was the mother said the statue should have been protected better.

Quote:

A city in Kansas is reportedly demanding $132,000 from the parents of a 5-year-old boy who knocked over a glass sculpture.

The piece of art, “Aphrodite di Kansas City,” was on display at an Overland Park community center when the boy damaged it on May 19, the Kansas City Star reported. He was attending a wedding reception with his parents at the time.

“He probably hugged it,” the boy’s mother Sarah Goodman told the paper. “Maybe my son hugged a torso because he’s a loving, sweet nice boy who just graduated from preschool.”

Overland Park’s insurance company sent a letter accusing Goodman and her husband of negligence for failing to keep an eye on the boy, the paper reported.

“I don’t want to diminish the value of their art, but I can’t pay for that,” Goodman told the paper.

She said her son didn’t damage the sculpture on purpose. She also said the city should have protected it better.

Kansas City artist Bill Lyons created the sculpture. He told the paper it was uninsured and damaged beyond repair.

"I want to be reimbursed for the amount of time that I spent on it and for what I think it is worth," he said.

Goodman said that she has presented the bill to her insurance company to resolve, according to the paper.

Baz 06-16-2018 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ (Post 10076060)
I don't see that in the article. The only thing I saw was the mother said the statue should have been protected better.

Sorry Bryan, I thought I was looking at the same article but I guess not.

Check it out:

Quote:

According to a police report, several officers were called to the community that evening about a "disturbance." One officer said he met with Goodman in the parking lot, and she said her child had injuries to his face and went through a traumatic experience. The officer told Goodman it was a civil matter and watched security video of the incident.
:rolleyes:

scottmandue 06-16-2018 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 10075978)
Looking at the walls and pedestals in the room, I see it as an art gallery, IN a community center. maintain your children. or pay.

That is I see, walls covered with art, peristalsis with sculpture, wide hallways leading to other rooms.

Superman 06-16-2018 08:19 PM

I'm with the guys who say the parents had a duty to control their child. I'm also with the guy who say "it's not that simple." A business places a glass thing, unsecured, on a pedestal where the public goes....that's bonehead.

BeyGon 06-16-2018 08:35 PM

and when someone runs a shopping cart into your car that's your fault, for not having a barricade around it. I mean, it's a public place.

WPOZZZ 06-16-2018 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 10076086)
Sorry Bryan, I thought I was looking at the same article but I guess not.

Check it out:



:rolleyes:

No problem, Baz. From the video, I did see the statue fall on the boy, and figured he might have some injuries from the glass. Civil matter? I guess it is up to the attorneys. :rolleyes:

javadog 06-17-2018 03:22 AM

A few years ago, I was at an art museum and looking at a large Jackson Pollock painting and some ignorant little snot came up with his parents and started aggressively poking it. It didn't take me long to rip mom and dad a new one. Ignorant *******s, all three of them.

tabs 06-17-2018 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 10075946)

High end art always has a huge price tag... if I was rich I would have $5-10K paintings hanging in my house (judging from the stuff I like when I visit galleries)

Of course I would have a new(ish) Porsche in a garage... and a $5K watch too.

According to this I am filthy rich....

tabs 06-17-2018 03:42 AM

The parents need to be taught a lesson in taking responsibility. Having a cock in your hand don't make you a man.

DanielDudley 06-17-2018 04:35 AM

Display an artwork worth 132,000 dollars without insurance coverage? If it was in your own home I'm pretty sure you would have it insured. If it was in a gallery I know it would be insured.

Lawyers would have to prove negligence on the part of the parents. Lawyers would counter with negligence of improper display. That was pretty precarious.

My opinion is just an opinion. We have lawyers and laws because opinions are worthless. If you saw this on the ''news'', I'm guessing that you are supposed to have an opinion.

My advice to artists is to make sure you have some sort of coverage of very valuable pieces on public display, and to display in such a way as to make that coverage apply. There is a whole lot of stupid going on here from every angle. If that kid was dead or injured, lawyers would be lining up to take that case for the parents.

Again, a lot of stupid to go around here. Glass sculpture on open display with no semblance of a barrier ? What could go wrong ? I sneeze harder than a little kid can pull at something.

onewhippedpuppy 06-17-2018 04:42 AM

Three kids here, and I would absolutely say that the parents are to blame. As a parent you are responsible for what your kids do, especially a 5 year old. I would NEVER have taken my 5 year old to any sort of area or venue with art on display, it’s just asking for a disaster. Why should an art gallery have to put everything behind bars to protect their exhibits from my inability to parent? I have sat out of a lot of things because of my kids, there are certain places that just aren’t appropriate for little kids.

javadog 06-17-2018 04:57 AM

That glass sculpture would have remained safely in one place until the end of time, unless a kid screwed with it. Had the kid been attacked without warning by the sculpture, I'd blame the sculpture. It's 100% the kids fault, screw the concept of attractive nuisance, and the parents should not have lost sight of the child, especially when you consider he'd already been attracted to it once.

KevinTodd 06-17-2018 05:15 AM

Half-wit parents breed quarter-wit offspring.

Norm K 06-17-2018 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10076277)
According to this I am filthy rich....


Did you miss the "K"s?

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