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Engine building geek question:
I'm assembling another Ford 7.3 Power Stroke diesel engine for my work truck and having a conundrum; the spec for head bolt torque is 95 lbs. on lightly oiled threads in 3 stages, 65/85/95 lbs.
When it was time to bolt down the heads over the weekend, I could not find my little old fashioned oil can, so I poured some oil into the cap of an oil bottle and just dipped the bolt ends in oil before inserting them in bolt holes. Of course, everything was pristine clean, bolts/block/heads. I guess I thought that the oil on the ends would be forced up the threads and coat all threads as bolts went in. That did not happen and when I did the final torque, (95 lbs.), it was very apparent that I had hit dry threads by the increased friction and resistance to initial tightening. The correct protocol is to completely wet the threads w motor oil and let it drip off, hence "lightly oiled." Even though the early 7.3s had a factory spec of 85 lbs., I'm really OCD about engine assembly and this is bugging me. I was thinking about removing each bolt one at a time and re-oiling, then re-torquing. There are 18 bolts on each head. #1) Am I worried about nothing? #2) Any reason NOT to do what I'm considering? TIA. :cool: |
It would suck, but I’m leaning towards removing all bolts and reinstalling them per the manual. That would mean new head gaskets as well.
Otherwise, it would always be on my mind if I was going to have a problem down the road. |
We had a Loctite rep give a presentation years ago showing proper use. He had a clear plexiglass block with a threaded blind hole. He put loctite on a bolt and threaded it into the hole. Virtually no loctite entered the hole since the air already in the hole kept it out. Lesson was: put the loctite or oil into the hole and not on the fastener.
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Are they the original head bolts?
Aren't they torque to yield? |
Did you oil under the head of the bolt or washer?
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Also, I think you are worried about nothing. You do not hear of 7.3' spitting out their head gaskets very often .
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I just spoke with a certified tech that has done dozens of 7.3s.
He said that taking 1 bolt at a time is OK to do, he would. But, that you would problably be OK if you did not. |
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As I stated, they are torque-to-number, not TTY. |
I like what NY65912 said, but I’m certainly no expert. I’d be curious what “lightly oiled” really means. To me dipped and dripped sounds like too much.
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A little oil on the back of bolt heads is not called for but seems like a good idea. The whole thing is about not having additional friction screwing up the torque measurement. |
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That's the crux of the matter. What do they say about re-torquing after initial break in? In my mind I would think the heat cycle would help out a lot in this scenario to get the bolts spot on. |
My friend mentioned that the bolts will not have to be re-torqued after break in if the steps below are followed.
"Take out 1 bolt at a time in the correct sequence 4 steps: On new gasket with lightly oiled New Bolts: 65 ft lbs 90 ft lbs 110 ft lbs 110 ft lbs again No need for re-torque." |
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If you ever buy a used one, walk away from anything that has an aftermarket intake and/or evidence of dirt getting past the air filter. Just unscrew the big rubber tube betweeen air cleaner and turbo, it should be as clean as an operating room inside. |
If you are thinking about re oiling them, I believe it is common practice to remove one head bolt at a time, when changing over to ARP studs. I know of several guys who have done it this way, without ever removing the head . These were all on trucks that got the wick turned way up after wards, and I know of no failures .
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110 lbs. would be significantly higher than factory spec for my engine, which is stock. Factory shop manual: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1529356261.png |
And sure enough, it does say to oil the bolt flanges. Missed that previously.
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I'll have to give him a talking to about this. I guessed that it was a 2000.
Funny part is he works for Ford. Maybe that says something ;) Sorry if this was misleading. Last time I ask him for advice! |
I would not be that hard on him. Those master techs have so much info floating around in their heads that it's impossible to remember everything, especially numbers.
Always check the book, (and the TSBs if they supersede). :) |
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