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all conservatives don't support Bush

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Date Awarded: June 29, 2005

Look, up in the sky! It's a man! No, it's a girl! Wait! It is a man, that acts like a girl! It could only be...

Winner: President George W. Bush
Antics: Promoting liberty for Iraqis, while ducking hot button domestic issues like the Border Jumping Scumbag invasion and the Supreme Court's abolition of property rights in the USA.

Willing to stand firm when faced with mounting criticism about his antics in Iraq, President Bush turns furtive and utterly girlie when the subject changes to certain vital, domestic issues. Too pig-headed to admit that his proposed amnesty for border jumping scumbags is an utter disaster, President Bush steadfastly refuses to stop playing the fool for his daddy, Vicente Fox.

President George W. Bush is unflinchingly girlie when he won't do a damn thing to prevent the 500,000,000 chronically-needy parasites who live south of the Rio Grande from invading Amerika. Additionally, President Bush watched the United States Supreme Court repeal the "inalienable" property rights upon which our liberty depends and didn't say one goddamn word. That's capital "G" Girlie.

For lacking the nads to face up to domestic issues that threaten the inalienable individual liberty of every Amerikan citizen, President George W. Bush is PIG's Girlie Man of the Week.
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He's a laughing stock. Even his party is turning its back on him. He won't set a timetable for withdraw from Iraq. Go figure. This is only the most profitable war in American history. And while Rome burns, Nero fiddles. Domestic issues were screaming when he took office, are even more critical now, and he doesn't hear any of that. Social Security Reform? Private accounts would not rescue SS even if the law were enacted to allow them, and Dubya's not even going to get that much done. Let alone solve the solvency problem. He's a miserable failure in each and every possible performance category. History could potentially show him to be effective at one thing, and one thing only.....maybe. That's if the entire world is wrong about the Iraq decision, and he's so brilliant that nobody can see his public policy masterpiece we call the Iraq War. Yeah, right. He's a 100% loser.
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Some of us have been saying this and getting lambasted by the true believers. Believe it or not, I am far more conservative than liberal, but not quite as radical as an Atilla the Hun!!

I think what bothers me is the inconsistency; in the same speech commenting that if the Generals said they needed more troops he would send them and then later that sending more troops would send the wrong signal. (no quotes there; I don't want to give someone the ability to parse the words and say I got some adjective wrong or such!!)
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bush et al.

I would call myself a conservative. Bush is no conservative. I guess they coined a new term or at least popularized it,"neo-conservative" to fit him and his cronies. Conservatives don't increase the size of government and participate in the destruction of America's manufacturing and natural resource extraction base ie. NAFTA. Our country is in deep doo-doo and as you say, Nero is fiddling (around with other countries) while we burn. This really started to go south with George Sr.and then Clinton. As far as Iraq, study history and it becomes obvious that there is no way that democracy will ever fly for an extended time in any Muslem country.
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I would say the breed of "conservative" that supports Bush is the "social conservative" aka the religious right.

The traditional "fiscal conservative", who used to be the core of the Republican party, isn't finding much to like in the Bush Administration.

I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially moderate-to-liberal. I think issues like containing North Korea, a balanced relationship with China, our national budget and trade deficits, shaky US educational standards, the outsourcing and offshoring of US jobs, reducing dependence on oil, and similar issues are more important for government to deal with than the religious issues so dear to Bush's core voter.

I find myself amazed that our country's direction is increasingly determined by people who think Terri Schiavo is more important than the ballooning trade deficit, and that gay marriage is a greater threat to our future than billions of well-educated and hard-working young Chinese and Indians.
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Very well put, John. My observation, after fighting with many of you tooth-and-nail for these many months, is that in reality we are not that far apart in our beliefs. We want much of the same stuff. The devil, as they say, is in the details.

And I have found over many years that the VAST majority of Americans are just as you describe. At least moderately conservative on fiscal issues, and at least moderately liberal on social ones. Americans care, and they also have brains that work. They know what they want from their government, and they're willing to pay for it, but they don't like what they are currently getting from gubmint, and SURE don't want to continue paying for that. Both political parties need to be taken behind the woodshed by my grandfather. Neither would be able to sit for a week. When I lean toward the liberal party, I'm choosing the lesser of two evils, in my mind. Which is what many of you do when choosing the conservative party. And their agenda is to continue to divide this country. I say let's keep talking. You guys make MUCH more sense to me that Dubya or any of the other politicians.
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I would say the breed of "conservative" that supports Bush is the "social conservative" aka the religious right.

The traditional "fiscal conservative", who used to be the core of the Republican party, isn't finding much to like in the Bush Administration.

I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially moderate-to-liberal. I think issues like containing North Korea, a balanced relationship with China, our national budget and trade deficits, shaky US educational standards, the outsourcing and offshoring of US jobs, reducing dependence on oil, and similar issues are more important for government to deal with than the religious issues so dear to Bush's core voter.

I find myself amazed that our country's direction is increasingly determined by people who think Terri Schiavo is more important than the ballooning trade deficit, and that gay marriage is a greater threat to our future than billions of well-educated and hard-working young Chinese and Indians.
I agree completely with the above.

Sadly, budget issues have no real traction in either party right now, except the Dems would like to use it as a stick to beat W over the head with. Where are their plans to 'do better?'

I used to be a proud conservative (30+ years ago), but conservatism has been forgotten altogether by the neocon alliance of "Christian taliban" types and New American Century whack jobs.
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I must agree that spending and imigration are two issues that Bush has been way too weak on. But setting a time table is one of the more retarded arguments. Maybe we can just tell terrorist when we are going to move our troops out so they can plan acordingly. That makes no sense to me.
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Even his party is turning its back on him.
Rather than turning their back, I liken it to his own party jumping a flaming party boat.

Bush has already ruined his own history, now he's about to ruin the Republican party as we know it today. The smart ones are letting him flame out. Those same individuals may well be planning a much different party, that actively abandons world domination through democracy and policy dictated by religious zealots.
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Neoconservativism will be a completely failed and discredited philosophy, hopefully never to rear its ugly head again.
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Man I feel dirty watching this "same sex" circle jerk from the window.

Hey, atleast you guys are entertaining. Get em Speedy, get em!
Ok, now you rest........Tech take his place, but turn around....yea that's better. Now Sup, we talked about the crossdressing didn't we? Ok, Ok, just towel those two off first and we'll talk
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Most folks don't support "all" of the President's positions/actions...but there was/is no alternative since liberal candidates either offered no solution or were even weaker on the ones that Bush is weak on...spending, taxes, illegal immigrants, etc.
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Brian, we part ways on Reagan. We got a bellyful of him in California, where he left huge debt as his legacy, only to do it again in the white house. I feel people who admire him confuse style with substance.

But the voters in California are slow learners. We now have Schwarzenegger playing 'Governor Reagan redux'. Not only is he a RINO on social issues (not a problem for me), he is indistinguishable from Davis in his handling of the budget. He does provide some comic relief, though.
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What precisely to you disagree with? I read most of the comments as rather reasonable opinions. Only one or two would be considered "strong", the rest seem to present a degree of disappointment in mostly domestic policy. Even those who have posted a "strong" comment hardly come up to the level of some previous comments from "the other side".

There is a vast difference between conservatives of old and those who today try to cover themselves with that label. And this is true about many liberals as well.

Do we not have a record deficit? Have we not magnified this problem by continual tax reductions? This is contrary to traditional conservative philosophy. Is there not currently a bias at the federal level toward supplying religious organizations under the guise of "faith based initiatives"?

The current situation reminds me of the old adage "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die."
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I rarely meet any (intelligent) people these days who do not describe themselves as "socially liberal/moderate and fiscally conservative".

Hopefully that is where all winning politicians will fit from now on.
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It's pointless Bob, you guys see no theory or philosophy in his actions. He's a greedy, bible thumping, bumbling idiot....what can I say?
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I rarely meet any (intelligent) people these days who do not describe themselves as "socially liberal/moderate and fiscally conservative".

Hopefully that is where all winning politicians will fit from now on.
But you also rarely met anyone before the election who did not plan to vote for Kerry. Look what happened. Once again, perhaps it is just the part of the country where you live.
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It's pointless Bob, you guys see no theory or philosophy in his actions. He's a greedy, bible thumping, bumbling idiot....what can I say?
you just said it...and well said!

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Len, an an A to F scale, how would you rate the Bush presidency?
Oh man what a loaded question I give it a 3, based on the newley adopted NEA non-confrontational grading system
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