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More Pre-War falsehoods by the Bush Team Uncovered

It's becoming clearer and clearer. This administration knowingly mislead the American people into war. Every new piece of evidence that is uncovered confirms the duplicity and dishonesty of the Bush/Cheney war team.

More proof today:

By DOUGLAS JEHL
WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 — A top member of Al Qaeda in American custody was identified as a likely fabricator months before the Bush administration began to use his statements as the foundation for its claims that Iraq trained Al Qaeda members to use biological and chemical weapons, according to newly declassified portions of a Defense Intelligence Agency document.
The document, an intelligence report from February 2002, said it was probable that the prisoner, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, “was intentionally misleading the debriefers’’ in making claims about Iraqi support for Al Qaeda’s work with illicit weapons.

The document provides the earliest and strongest indication of doubts voiced by American intelligence agencies about Mr. Libi’s credibility. Without mentioning him by name, President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Colin L. Powell, then secretary of state, and other administration officials repeatedly cited Mr. Libi’s information as “credible’’ evidence that Iraq was training Al 8Qaeda members in the use of explosives and illicit weapons.

More here: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/politics/06intel.ready.html?hp&ex=1131339600&en=0d091794b0c89f27&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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Old 11-06-2005, 06:18 AM
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Cool. Now we dont even have to go to OT to read this crap. Thanks!
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Moderator, Please move.

I agree with Shuie and Charles.
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Old 11-06-2005, 06:58 AM
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Oops, sorry. Thought I was in OT (but its not crap )

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We will stay the course *** We’re just going to stay the course. [12/15/03]
And my message today to those in Iraq is: We’ll stay the course. [4/13/04]
And that’s why we’re going to stay the course in Iraq. [4/16/04]
And so we’ve got tough action in Iraq. But we will stay the course. [4/5/04]

Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course” [10/21/06]

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Old 11-06-2005, 07:05 AM
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Like we didn't know this already,
Move to OT please
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It's not crap. It's whiney crap...
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What you call "whiney crap" I call American as apple pie. If our leaders keep lying to us, I'll keep "whining"
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And that’s why we’re going to stay the course in Iraq. [4/16/04]
And so we’ve got tough action in Iraq. But we will stay the course. [4/5/04]

Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course” [10/21/06]

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It's actually called picking a position, and then looking only for the facts that support it. It's quite the rage on the O.T. Forum by left and right alike.

Trust me, your “proof” is really the same sound-bite. And 99% of the posts it generates will match what's always posted on threads regarding Iraq and/or the Administration. No one will change their mind. Heck, no one will even try to change someone's mind. It will just be more whiney droll.

Just wait.... You'll see....
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It's actually called picking a position, and then looking only for the facts that support it. It's quite the rage on the O.T. Forum by left and right alike.

Trust me, your “proof” is really the same sound-bite. And 99% of the posts it generates will match what's always posted on threads regarding Iraq and/or the Administration. No one will change their mind. Heck, no one will even try to change someone's mind. It will just be more whiney droll.

Just wait.... You'll see....

Well, I dunno, this looks like yet more new information substantiating doubt about the credibility of the evidence at that time...in this particular case, doubt of the credibility of the person giving this "evidence."

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The document, an intelligence report from February 2002, said it was probable that the prisoner, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, “was intentionally misleading the debriefers’’ in making claims about Iraqi support for Al Qaeda’s work with illicit weapons.
This is supposedly the "evidence" Bush touted as "reason."

Don't you think it would've been more prudent for our president to not pick a position and then looking for so-called "facts" that only support it instead?
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Yes yes we know, Bush lied to get us to war because he is a bloodthirsty animal and his lust for oil and power guide his every move. He will be impeached when phase two of the investigation reveals his evil war plan and mind control campaign used against the dems in the House and Senate during the runup to the war.. We get it, real life is like a B movie script for you. Can't wait for the sequel.
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Yes yes we know, Bush lied to get us to war because he is a bloodthirsty animal and his lust for oil and power guide his every move. He will be impeached when phase two of the investigation reveals his evil war plan and mind control campaign used against the dems in the House and Senate during the runup to the war.. We get it, real life is like a B movie script for you. Can't wait for the sequel.

So tell me, what do you think about the content of the original post? Care to address, please?
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I agree Capt'n that some people will never change their minds. See daddy's post above as Exhibit A.

But I would also point out that many, many people have in fact changed their position on this administration, as witnessed by Bush's current 37% approval rating. That’s down from the 90’s post 9/11. So information does matter to most people.

Lots of people supported Nixon too, before the facts came to light.
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We will stay the course, we will complete the job in Iraq. [8/4/05]
We will stay the course *** We’re just going to stay the course. [12/15/03]
And my message today to those in Iraq is: We’ll stay the course. [4/13/04]
And that’s why we’re going to stay the course in Iraq. [4/16/04]
And so we’ve got tough action in Iraq. But we will stay the course. [4/5/04]

Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course” [10/21/06]

--- George W. Bush, President of the United States of America
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So tell me, what do you think about the content of the original post? Care to address, please?
It is the smoking gun that will finally bring this Neocon house-of-cards down.


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It is the smoking gun that will finally bring this Neocon house-of-cards down.


So you do like the idea this infomation was ignored, or you don't like it?

Do you think that these reports on the credibility of this so-called "informant" should've been taken seriously or not seriously?

Do you approve of this behavior when dealing with such a serious issue?
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So you do like the idea this infomation was ignored, or you don't like it?

Do you think that these reports on the credibility of this so-called "informant" should've been taken seriously or not seriously?

Do you approve of this behavior when dealing with such a serious issue?
NO, I'm devasted. My faith in my party, my president and my country is shaken.
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NO, I'm devasted. My faith in my party, my president and my country is shaken.
What specifically are you "devastated" about? Which specific question? All three? How are you devastated? Can you elaborate?
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Cool_chick, lendaddy just ain't going to seriousy engqage. His defense of choice is a cynical response in the tone of mock outrage and concern.

My guess is he either "poo poo's" political discussion in total, or perhaps is a Righty that can't really fend off the mounting evidence of ...let's say generously... some questionable decision making? So he just falls back to the cynicism.

He has some interest or he wouldn't have responded in the first place. His cynicism and attempts at mock humor are ways of trying to blunt the original point of the thread.

This administration has done some indefensible things - no, not because George W. Bush is a "bloodthirsty animal", etc. etc. He may well, be a well-intentioned man, in fact I suspect he is. But we'll likely not know the reason for a few years after his administration ends - if we ever do why he was so adamant about starting a war against a country that can't honestly be cited as the source of 9/11.

I suspect this is a man who is a captive of the political base that paved the way for him to rise from the alcoholic, partyer, ne'er-do-well son of privilage/political importance who got over his issues by finding Christianity and rose out of well?...nothing/relative nowhere to own a MLB team (yeah, ANY of us could do that, huh?) and from that become Governor of a large state, etc. etc.

The war is bogus, everyone knows it - even a lot of the Right. Everyone is saying it...again, even some on the Right. Pretty soon we will have lost more Americans in this war than died on 9/11.....and for what? .....for something? Maybe. But defintely NOT for the stated purpose as we still haven't gotten the guy that is the likely mastermind. That is indesputable.
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