U.S. toy giveaway in Iraq is bombed

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Where have you been? I don't think they are freedom fighters, the leaders of Iraq think they are freedom fighters.
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Where have you been? Apparently your partners in liberalism feel otherwise. I was quoting them from this very thread.

Originally posted by Rodeo
...Pretty good, huh? Yep, we are definitely winning this war. Its just that the Iraqis don't realize it like you do Fint.

Most do. The rest believe guys like you ...and keep killing children so that you will keep up the rhetoric...since it is the only way they can possibly win.

[Rodeo]

Oh, I didn't realize my opposition to the war was causing children to be killed. Thanks for pointing that out Mr. Cheney.

Listen up everyone. If we all just blindly agree with whatever bonehead thing this administration does next, everything will be fine. We are responsible for the dead children, not the idiots that proclaimed "mission accomplished" two and one half years ago.

[RANDY P]

It's not the administration's fault that kids are being killed. It's not our fault that kids are being killed. What's doing it are those terrorist @ssholes who value their OWN culture and people less than we, the Infidel do.

Fact is, you're so blighted with anger that your fellow New Englander Liberal getting killed in last election you (and the other Libs) on this board will make any connection, no matter how crazy it sounds to try to swing opinion.

Pathetic, I tell ya. Just a sore loser.

rjp

[CRH911S]

Most do. The rest believe guys like you ...and keep killing children so that you will keep up the rhetoric...since it is the only way they can possibly win.

I have to disagree. The Cheny/bush policy is to put our troops and children in harms way to bolster support for the war at home. Rhetoric? Look whos feeding it.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by CRH911S
I have to disagree. The Cheny/bush policy is to put our troops and children in harms way to bolster support for the war at home. Rhetoric? Look whos feeding it.

Where do you come up with this juvenile drivel? Are you even old enough to have a drivers license? Should any administration try to order our troops into a situation where there is no way of winning, the brass who run the military would have a "come to Jesus" talk with them. Its clear that you have no concept what so ever of the way things work in many parts of the military and govt.

Our troops have for hundreds of years supported the locals where-ever they were in the world. Ever hear of the Raisin bomber during the Berlin Airlift? One of the pilots ferrying in food for the people of Berlin, who were a few months before our enemy, dropped candy and gum on small parachute's while on short final for the airport in Berlin. He liked kids and shortly got a very large following. Americans all across the country donated more food and candy for the children of Berlin. You really think that someone other than this lone pilot came up with this as a plan? Son, if you do you are rowing with one oar at times...

Have to agree with Nathans Dad, you come up with some of the wackiest statements/ideas many of us have heard of in a long time.

JA

[RoninLB]

I worked for this guy that was a lawyer and a 'Nam Army Capt. He used to drive around to All villages and hand out food, medicine, etc.. He said his truck was always highly marked for its mission and was never threatened by the enemy.

[Nathans_Dad]

Rodeo--you know no one on this board can compete with Mul for righty wacko award...that's a no brainer. Can't really give it to anyone else, because to be eligible you would have to have an equivalent statement to CRH...that's tough to do!

[Rodeo]

I don't know, our own Fint believes that the reason we have not found WMDs in Iraq is not because of faulty intelligence (a point even Cheney now concedes), but rather because WMDs are "really small."

[widebody911]

Originally posted by dd74
We won't win until we nuke the region. Nuke it, and then we'll see what happens...

Hate to say it, but that's pretty much the only way we're going to 'win' in the ME; the only way to get the Islam-free or west-friendly Islam is to completely eradicate the Islamic species like Mul/Fint etc seem to want. Either that or have Marines on every street corner in every town forever. Anything else will be a deal of a thousand cuts.

[Nathans_Dad]

Rodeo--Agreed and I don't agree with Fint on that point...but saying something like WMDs are "really small" doesn't quite rise to the level of saying that the evil Republicans are luring children to soldiers with toys knowing that they will get blown up and therefore further their political agenda...yeesh...it's even wierder the second time I read that post.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by widebody911
Hate to say it, but that's pretty much the only way we're going to 'win' in the ME; the only way to get the Islam-free or west-friendly Islam is to completely eradicate the Islamic species like Mul/Fint etc seem to want. Either that or have Marines on every street corner in every town forever. Anything else will be a deal of a thousand cuts.

Interesting take, reminds me of this article I just read.

Talk of civil war in Iraq is not backed by the facts
Robert Fisk tells Haroon Siddiqui that Arabs want freedom — from the West
Nov. 27, 2005. 01:00 AM
HAROON SIDDIQUI

I raq has descended into a nightmare, with some parallels to Vietnam but also Algeria of the 1990s (where 100,000 were massacred, often by people in police uniforms), or Latin America of the 1980s (where death squads killed at will).

"American troops must leave Iraq. American troops will leave Iraq. But American troops cannot leave Iraq. That's the equation that turns sand into blood."

The speaker is Robert Fisk, the world's most famous foreign correspondent, with the courage and know-how to spurn the journalistic bunkers of Baghdad and venture out on to the highways and byways of death, albeit in fewer and fewer forays.

He was in Toronto on a North American launch tour of his 1,366-page biography The Great War for Civilization: The Conquest of the Middle East, written over 16 years. Its run of 50,000 copies is being followed with French and Arabic translations.

Fisk — based in Beirut for 29 years, first for The Times of London and since 1989 for the Independent — has covered all the major wars and talked to those who matter. He interviewed Osama bin Laden three times, dating back to 1993.

Fisk spoke to an overflow audience of 800 at U of T Wednesday. Here's what he said there and in an interview.

Bin Laden: "He is irrelevant. Al Qaeda exists. The monster exists. It's the most extraordinary institution, in that it has no membership. It's an NGO system of international terror.

"I don't even think Al Qaeda has a worldwide web. Do you think that the men who blew up the trains in London on 7/7 knew the bombers of Bali? No. Do you think the bombers in Madrid had any idea what was going to happen in London? No.

"Do you think they all had contact with bin Laden? Maybe, but I doubt it. But you see, it's not necessary any more. It's like avian flu. It doesn't matter which chicken started it."

The Iraqi insurgency: "It merges — it's part of the mafia, the kidnappings, the banditry and the tribal feuds ... I believe everyone has a death squad — government death squads, insurgency death squads, Al Qaeda death squads, religious death squads, (the Shi'ite) Badr Brigade death squads, Syrian death squads, Iranian death squads.

"The insurgents are getting bolder. They come in big numbers, hundreds, armed, and run over police stations. At some point, they'll break into an American base. They've already done so in Mosul and they've cracked into the Green Zone."

How far does the government writ run? "One foot from the wall of the Green Zone."

How long can this go on? "If the Iraqi government came out tomorrow and said all American troops leave by January, the insurgency would be over. But they can't do that because that would be the end of them, too, and the new government would have a large number of insurgents — horror of horrors!"

Civil war: "I don't think there will be one. I've never heard an Iraqi talk of a civil war. Never. Americans and the Iraqi government officials, yes.

"The first time I heard of civil war was in 2003 when the U.S. spokesman Dan Senor spoke of it, to frighten the Iraqis into obedience. There has never been a civil war in Iraq. But someone does want one: hitting Shi'ite mosques, Shi'ite marketplaces, Shi'ite bus stations."

Who? "We are supposed to believe it's Al Qaeda and (Abu Musab al) Zarqawi. I don't know. We are so restricted in our movements. I still move around but I am still restricted."

Zarqawi? "He is a mystery. Is he alive? His wife, of whom he is very possessive, works for a living. His mother died last year and he didn't even send condolences — odd for a man who claims to be a super-Muslim. Is it possible he is dead? I have never heard his voice, except for the American ID of his voice."

Democracy: George W. "Bush said it'd only be a short time before every Arab state would want to be like Iraq. The experiment is over, thank you. If this is democracy, heaven spare us all.

"I think the Arabs would like a freedom of another kind: They want freedom from us."

Haroon Siddiqui writes Thursday and Sunday. hsiddiq@thestar.ca.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
I don't know, our own Fint believes that the reason we have not found WMDs in Iraq is not because of faulty intelligence (a point even Cheney now concedes), but rather because WMDs are "really small."

You know that is not true. Is it your goal to lie or misrepresent something on every thread? Why is the truth so hard for you? because it make you lack of argument and debating skills less of a liability?

[Rodeo]

quote:
Originally posted by Rodeo
I don't know, our own Fint believes that the reason we have not found WMDs in Iraq is not because of faulty intelligence (a point even Cheney now concedes), but rather because WMDs are "really small."

Originally posted by fintstone
You know that is not true. Is it your goal to lie or misrepresent something on every thread?

Not true you say?

Originally posted by fintstone
**the "poorly informed" are the crazies who *** do not realize that WMD are actually really small and easy to hide....

So are the WMDs "really small and easy to hide" or not? You can't seem to make up your mind.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
quote:
Originally posted by Rodeo
I don't know, our own Fint believes that the reason we have not found WMDs in Iraq is not because of faulty intelligence (a point even Cheney now concedes), but rather because WMDs are "really small."
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Not true you say?
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So are the WMDs "really small and easy to hide" or not? You can't seem to make up your mind.

Still having trouble with the truth, huh?

Even you are not stupid enough to claim that saying WMD's are small and easy to hide to:

Fint believes that the reason we have not found WMDs in Iraq is not because of faulty intelligence (a point even Cheney now concedes), but rather because WMDs are "really small."

If you were honest, you would not misrepresent every post that contradicts you.

[Rodeo]

Ok, Fint says:

1. WMDs are "really small"
2. WMDs are "easy to hide"
3. Iraq has WMDs
4. The only reason we have not found the WMDs in Iraq is ...

(um, see 1 and 2 above)

[fintstone]

You are still not being honest. When you take a word or two from a sentence of mine and combine it with your own sentences...the result is a misrepresentation...and blatantly dishonest....as are your attempts to imply otherwise. I did not post #3 and #4 above...and don't even agree with them...much less when you attach them to my original words.
Please don't misrepresent my posts.

[CRH911S]

Its clear that you have no concept what so ever of the way things work in many parts of the military and govt.

You're mistaken, again. I have over 20 years combined federal government and military service. I know BS when I see it and there is a lot of it on this OT.

The toy give-away history wasn't necessary. But since you brought it up you failed to mentioned that during the Vietnam war the local villagers went out of their way to avoid recieving gifts from the Americans. What makes Iraq any different?

Do you really think it was a coincidence that a suicide bomber just happened to be in the neighborhood on a day US troops were handing out toys to the Iraqi children?

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by CRH911S
You're mistaken, again. I have over 20 years combined federal government and military service. I know BS when I see it and there is a lot of it on this OT.

The toy give-away history wasn't necessary. But since you brought it up you failed to mentioned that during the Vietnam war the local villagers went out of their way to avoid recieving gifts from the Americans. What makes Iraq any different?

Do you really think it was a coincidence that a suicide bomber just happened to be in the neighborhood on a day US troops were handing out toys to the Iraqi children?

And when and what part of Vietnam were you in? Pls tell us how with only 20 years experience (the war in Vietnam ended 34 years ago) how you served in 'nam and can give us first hand experience in this case.

I can guarantee that they did go after candy and gifts, just as they are doing today in Iraq and did in WW2. Read my post above about the Candy Bomber and then tell me that this does not happen during and after any war or conflict. Where you a cook or REMF in the military or did you even leave CONUS?

Not sure what they are smoking up in ANC but it sure must be good! If you have a pink ID then you can come right on over and help me hand out the toys. Am here right now, waiting for you to arrive. Am sure that they can find a seat on the next flight over "space A" you know...

Joe A

PS, oh yea, regarding your comment about "was a coincidence that a suicide bomber just happened to be in the neighborhood on a day US troops were handing out toys to the Iraqi children? Do you really think that these people are Rhodes scholars? Someone willing to blow themselves up is not going to be near the top of the food chain, so please stop making them out to be "bright and educated" types who accidently pressed the button at the wrong time. They are stupid SOB's in about 90% of the cases and get what they deserve, being spattered around the grubby streets of Baghdad and not sitting at the feet of Allah. Its the 10% that are pulling the strings that we are chasing and will get before this is over.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by CRH911S
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The toy give-away history wasn't necessary. But since you brought it up you failed to mentioned that during the Vietnam war the local villagers went out of their way to avoid recieving gifts from the Americans. What makes Iraq any different?
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Because the local villagers in Iraq were not going out of their way to avoid receiving gifts from the Americans...which is exacly the opposite of what you describe...duh

[CRH911S]

Brilliant, although wrong, observation. Sounds like your emotions are getting the best of you. Can't read either.