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US turns over Abu Garib to Iraqis

The US just turned Abu Ghraib over to the Iraqis. I hope that all of you condemned the US operation of the prison and wanted this are satisfied. It is now being run like a typical middle eastern prison. I'm sure that the prisoners are no longer complaining about panties on their heads.

Tortured screams ring out as Iraqis take over Abu Ghraib
By Ali Saber in Baghdad and Gethin Chamberlain
(Filed: 10/09/2006)

The notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad is at the centre of fresh abuse allegations just a week after it was handed over to Iraqi authorities, with claims that inmates are being tortured by their new captors.


US soldier Lynndie England was convicted on six charges of abusing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib
Staff at the jail say the Iraqi authorities have moved dozens of terrorist suspects into Abu Ghraib from the controversial Interior Ministry detention centre in Jadriyah, where United States troops last year discovered 169 prisoners who had been tortured and starved.

An independent witness who went into Abu Ghraib this week told The Sunday Telegraph that screams were coming from the cell blocks housing the terrorist suspects. Prisoners released from the jail this week spoke of routine torture of terrorism suspects and on Wednesday, 27 prisoners were hanged in the first mass execution since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Conditions in the rest of the jail were grim, with an overwhelming stench of excrement, prisoners crammed into cells for all but 20 minutes a day, food rations cut to just rice and water and no air conditioning.

Some of the small number of prisoners who remained in the jail after the Americans left said they had pleaded to go with their departing captors, rather than be left in the hands of Iraqi guards.

"The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better," said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism.

Abu Ghraib became synonymous with abuse after shocking pictures were published in 2004 showing prisoners being tortured and humiliated, galvanising opposition to the US presence in Iraq.

The witness gained access to the prison just days after the Americans formally handed over control to the Iraqi authorities on Sept 1.

Inside the 100-yard long cell block the smell of excrement was overpowering. Four to six prisoners shared each of the 12ft by 15ft cells along either side and the walls were smeared with filth. The cell block was patrolled by guards who carried long batons and shouted angrily at the prisoners to stand up.

Access to the part of the prison containing terrorism suspects was denied, but from that block came the sound of screaming. The screaming continued for a long time.

"I am sure someone was being beaten, they were screaming like they were being hit," the witness reported. "I felt scared, I was asking what was happening in the terrorist section.

"I heard shouting, like someone had a hot iron on their body, screams. The officer said they were just screaming by themselves. I was hearing the screams throughout the visit."

The witness said that even in the thieves' section prisoners were being treated badly. "Someone was shouting 'Please help us, we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back'," he said.

Prisoners interviewed in the presence of their jailers said they were frightened for their safety. They complained that chicken and milk had been cut from their rations, leaving them on rice and water. They also complained about the oppressive heat.

Outside the prison, relatives of some of the inmates said they were being tortured by their captors. One woman, who gave her name as Omsaad, said: "My son Saad [who was arrested in Fallujah as a suspected insurgent] said he is being tortured by the Iraqis to confess the name of his leader. I met my son and he told me they were being treated badly by the Iraqis."

Haleem Aleulami, who was released from the jail last week, three weeks after being arrested in Ramadi for carrying a pistol in his car, said the Americans had treated him better when they ran the jail. He claimed that visits from the International Red Cross staff had dried up and accused local human rights workers of being members of Shia groups who turned a blind eye to problems in the jail.

"The people are Iraqis and they are members of the Sciri and al Dawa parties. They have a good relationship with the leaders of the jail and they keep quiet," he said. The guards swore at the ordinary prisoners, he said, but those in the terrorist section were treated more brutally.

"The guards were swearing at us, but in the terrorist section they were beating them. I heard it all the time. Everyone knows what is happening."

And Khalid Alaani, who was also picked up in Ramadi suspected of involvement in Sunni terrorism, said: "We preferred the Americans. We asked to move with them to Baghdad airport because we knew the treatment would be changed because we know what the Iraqis are. When the Americans left everything changed."

Staff at the jail said that the prisoners were allowed out from their cells for only 15 to 20 minutes a day because of the danger from the regular mortar attacks. They are no longer allowed access to the main hall where the Americans had allowed them to watch television and the room is now reserved for the use of officers and guards. Staff explained that the air conditioning in the cell blocks had broken, although it was working in their quarters.

One officer, Capt Ali Abdelzaher, said: "We have a problem with the financing for the food, not like the Americans, and there is a technical problem with the air conditioning."

Capt Abdelzaher also confirmed that a number of inmates had been transferred from the Jadriyah detention centre, along with their guards and interrogators.

Graphic stories of abuse at that previously secret facility emerged after US soldiers found 169 prisoners showing signs of torture last November.

Most of the prisoners held by the Americans at Abu Ghraib were either released in recent months or transferred to a new £32 million detention centre at Camp Cropper near Baghdad International Airport.

Yesterday, the International Red Cross confirmed that its visits to the prison had been suspended since January 2005 on security grounds.
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The terrorists are prisoners in the prison. The new "operators" are just typical for that part of the world. They believe in a no-nonsense approach of dealing very hashly with folks that kill innocent women and children. I imagine the terrorists long for the days of grab-ass and panties on their heads. Once again, I hope that the liberals that we so eager for us to leave Abu Garib are happy with the results. Imagine how it will be when we pull out all US troops as the liberals demand.
On the bright side...we can send all the terrorists held at Gitmo to Abu Garib now...since they feel so mistreated.
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Once again, I hope that the liberals that we so eager for us to leave Abu Garib are happy with the results. Imagine how it will be when we pull out all US troops as the liberals demand.
a) I ain't no liberal.

b) Yeah, hand it over to the Iraqis.

c) Don't stop there. Hand all this sh|t over and let get the f*ck out.

d) It will be a blood bath when we leave. Did you expect a different result? Like...oh I don't know....american style democracy? LMFAO. Grow up.
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We should have left a bunch of Libs in there with them. Now that would be a reality show! I wonder which side would have tore up more lib a$$ before there wasn't any left.
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a) I ain't no liberal.

b) Yeah, hand it over to the Iraqis.

c) Don't stop there. Hand all this sh|t over and let get the f*ck out.

d) It will be a blood bath when we leave. Did you expect a different result? Like...oh I don't know....american style democracy? LMFAO. Grow up.
Funny that when someone mentions liberal you answer.

Installing a democracy would be stupid and far to unwieldy. I would settle for a representative republic.

You seem to contradict yourself...you say it will be a "bloodbath when we leave" and "hand it over to the Iraqis" in the same post. Are you saying you want a bloodbath? Why? Just to suit your political purposes?
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You seem to contradict yourself...you say it will be a "bloodbath when we leave" and "hand it over to the Iraqis" in the same post. Are you saying you want a bloodbath? Why? Just to suit your political purposes?
I don't want a bloodbath.

But thats what is going to happen. And it does not matter if we leave tomorrow, or if we leave in 3 years. So lets save some American soldiers lives, accept our failure, and get out now.

Please feel free to quote me on this in the future: lets cut and run, right now.

fintstone, aren't you connected with the military? What kind of news are you hearing out of Anbar? Don't try and tell me its good. The contractors, the boys in uniform, they all the sing the same song: Anbar is lost.
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I don't know anything that is not common knowledge. At one time things were looking pretty good. We had rooted out a lot of the foreign terrorists and locals were cooperating. My understanding is that things have deteriorated due to the sectarian violence of the last few months. Hopefully that will burn itself out. IMHO we really need more Iraqi troops in the area and a less porous border with Syria.
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Another success story of the US government. Now the US government can bring those it wishes to torture, and the Iraqi's do it for them.
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Janus:

The problem, there IS no real long-range plan.

So, the questions become: Why not?

and

Is one even possible, given the social/political/religious climate in that part of the world?


Just as an aside: Do I detect some sympathy for the prisoners now under Iraqi control? Is this move not a good one from our standpoint to get the focu away from how we were alledgely "treating" these people? Personally, I think it IS a good move, at least from a public relations standpoint.
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fint's busy elsewhere calling someone a "lib" and "sympathizer" because they disagree with his assclown conclusions.

Here's all you need to know about fint: He still refuses to admit that Iraq did not have WMD and and that Saddam did not have ties to al Queda.

He makes George Bush look like and open-minded intellectual.
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What's wrong with the Iraqis putting American soldiers on trial for killing insurgents?

It's a democratically-elected government, right?

If they want to try Americans, or praise Hizbollah, of ally with Syria, or refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, that's their prerogative. The Iraqi leaders are simply responding to the will of their people, "playing to ther base" in Karl Rove terms.

Iraqis putting Americans on trial for killing insurgents is a sign of progress. That means the Iraqis are finally "standing up."
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Paging Fint! Throw us a line, man! Don't let the libs hijack this thread with their defeatist propoganda bs. If it looks like we are going to let the Iraqi Terrorist government win, then the lib media is going to cram it down our throats till they are blue in the face. We'll be hearing "I told ya so's" from every damned pussy terrorist appeaser on the planet.

So help us out, man. You're obvsiously better informed than most of us on this stuff. Give us a sign that we are not going to hand Iraq over to the Iranian Terrorists in Baghdad. I was reading again just last week about how the Iraqi Speaker of Parliament wants to put US soldiers on trial for killing insurgents! Jeez Fint, if the left wing media catches wind of that clusterf*ck then the whole freakin' parade is gonna go down in flames.
We will do what is needed...if the Liberals will give us time. Otherwise, that is exactly what you will get.
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fint's busy elsewhere calling someone a "lib" and "sympathizer" because they disagree with his assclown conclusions.

Here's all you need to know about fint: He still refuses to admit that Iraq did not have WMD and and that Saddam did not have ties to al Queda.

He makes George Bush look like and open-minded intellectual.
And you make John Kerry look like a patriot, Billl Clinton look honest, and Hillary Clinton look like a woman..
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We will do what is needed...if the Liberals will give us time. Otherwise, that is exactly what you will get.
Well, unless something miraculous happens between now and Nov., I think time by then will have run out.
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And you make John Kerry look like a patriot, Billl Clinton look honest, and Hillary Clinton look like a woman..
fint, give us a report on your continuing search for WMD in Iraq ... I know you have not yet conceeded there were no WMD, so I'm wondering about the latest status of your efforts.

Last we heard from you, the WMD were "really small" and thus hard to find. Are you down to the sub-atomic level yet, or still examining individual grains of sand?

Stay the course, warrior man.
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This talk about "panties" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

If you don't understand that Abu Garib was incredibly damaging to America's "War on Terror" you are beyond hope. Continue your blind support for the worst presidential administration perhaps in American history.

The rest of us will pick up the pieces and try to actually win the war, not beat our chests like 10 year olds and pout when someone doesn't agree with us.
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