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Dr. Charles Stanley's Opinion of Obama

On Dr. Charles Stanley's Sunday program "In Touch", the guest speaker was more of a historian than a Biblical speaker, but he is very famous for his knowledge of historical facts as well as Biblical truths.

Dr. David Barton is his name. He is an expert on the subject of whether or not the United States was founded as a Christian Nation.

Dr. David Barton - on Obama

Respect the Office? Yes. Respect the Man in the Office? No, I am sorry to say.

I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.

Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama!

I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it.

I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President!

Why am I doing this? It is because:

- I do not share Obama's vision or value system for America;

- I do not share his Abortion beliefs;

- I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth;

- I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+
(the ceiling has been changed three times since August);

- I do not share his view that America is Arrogant;

- I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation;

- I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%;

- I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegals than our American Citizens who need help;

- I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage;

- I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend and Israel is our enemy who should give up any land;

- I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public);

- I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America;

- I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East; and

- I certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran.

Bottom line: my America is vastly different from Obama's, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my GOD to do what is Right!

For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs!


They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country!

They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant!

They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years!

They have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country!

They have made every effort to remove the name of GOD or Jesus Christ from our Society!

They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code!

They have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech!

Unite behind Obama? Never ! ! !

I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!

PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!

Majority rules in America, and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and his "goals for America."

I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country! ! Any more compromise is more defeat!

I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-GOD crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America!

"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it."
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The United States is not a Christian Nation. It is a nation where the predominant religious belief is Christian. Huge difference.

From a historical point of view the Treaty of Tripoli weighs in on the whether or not the US was founded as a "Christian Nation":

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The first treaty is cited as historical evidence in the modern day controversy over whether there was religious intent by the founders of the United States government. Article 11 of the first treaty has been interpreted as an official denial of a Christian basis for the U.S. government.
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The United States is not a Christian Nation. It is a nation where the predominant religious belief is Christian. Huge difference.

From a historical point of view the Treaty of Tripoli weighs in on the whether or not the US was founded as a "Christian Nation":
It's a Christian nation without a religion at its head. If you think he's talking about a theocracy you've turned down the wrong road long ago. Christians founded the nation on freedom of religion.

You might say, but I thought a Christian Nation always meant theocracy? No, a Christian nation isn't necessarily a theocracy, though it could be and often was in the old world. A Christian nation will be exceptional in our case, as we are an exceptional Nation. Christians founded the country under a tolerance for all religious beliefs and incorporated as much theism into the government without placating any one religion.
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Who is this David Barton? Do you have a picture? I was married by a minister named David Barton, I'm wondering if it's the same guy.
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Christians founded the nation on freedom of religion.
Well, this how Article 11 of the treaty is worded:

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Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
This treaty was read aloud in the Senate and ratified and no one had a problem with it. It was printed in it's entirety in newspapers and there is no evidence of any public outcry. I daresay that this would not be the case in today's United States. Can you imagine if some congressman put forth a bill in today's world that had the above wording? People would freak out. Back then they didn't, so I think that speaks volumes on the "Christian Nation" subject.
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Well, this how Article 11 of the treaty is worded:



This treaty was read aloud in the Senate and ratified and no one had a problem with it. It was printed in it's entirety in newspapers and there is no evidence of any public outcry. I daresay that this would not be the case in today's United States. Can you imagine if some congressman put forth a bill in today's world that had the above wording? People would freak out. Back then they didn't, so I think that speaks volumes on the "Christian Nation" subject.
What part of freedom of religion do you not understand?
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"no pretext arising from religous opions shall ever produce an interuption of the harmony" hey should have included jihad
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What part of freedom of religion do you not understand?
I understand what freedom of religion means. My point is that the guy in the original post feels that this is a "Christian Nation" and presents himself as an "expert" in the historicity of this matter.

The Founding Fathers tried very hard to keep religion out of government. The word "god" does not appear in the Constitution and even references to a "creator" were not in original drafts of the Declaration of Independence.

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However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!
This implies that the Founding Fathers were Christians. Some were, some weren't. References to anything specifically "Judeo-Christian" is notably absent from anything the Founding Fathers did, so it seems a stretch to make the statement above.
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What part of freedom of religion do you not understand?
the part about freedom from religion making our laws that the godboys
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I wonder how much freedom of religion we would tolerate if

the aztex's were still around and wanted a flower war to capture some victims
to have their hearts cut out to insure the sunrise

or baal's want to burn some live babes

or temple prostitutes who were a common part of many fertility rites

or is that freedom only for your Christian cults
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nota, I think as long as practicing those religions don't violate our system of laws. Are you arguing that our laws are based on a Judeo-Christian understanding of the world and morality? You might be making the best argument for claiming the US is a Christian nation.
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The United States is not a Christian Nation.
That all depends on what one means by "Christian Nation."
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From a historical point of view the Treaty of Tripoli weighs in on the whether or not the US was founded as a "Christian Nation"
I think we should examine the U. S. Constitution to determine whether the U. S. is a Christian Nation.
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Christians founded the country under a tolerance for all religious beliefs and incorporated as much theism into the government without placating any one religion.
That all depends on what country you're talking about. The United States Government was founded on the principle that religion is excluded from the cognizance of civil authority.

Religious tolerance is founded on the Satanic principle that the civil magistrate has authority over religious matters.
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This implies that the Founding Fathers were Christians. Some were, some weren't. References to anything specifically "Judeo-Christian" is notably absent from anything the Founding Fathers did, so it seems a stretch to make the statement above.
You are simply mistaken. You can base a system on Judeo Christian values without being a Jew or a Christian. You could even do it if you were an atheist.

None of them were Greek, but ancient Greek democratic principles certainly influenced how they crafted the system they gave us.
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