Who knew that Hope & Change would bring ....

[island911]

Originally Posted by dipso

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Now I'm thoroughly confused.
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Apparently.

He is saying that you don't increase productivity by continually raiding the stockpiles of producers, to give to the lazy.

Altho' I think that he may be wrong on that point. I mean, once the producers get raided a few times, they start producing even more . .. as in producing more ways to not get raided. Ask Tim Geithner.

[pwd72s]

Savvy investors no longer place blind faith in bond rating services...I mean, these are the same folks who told us everything was peachy-keen with enron, the same folks who gave high ratings before the housing collapse, etc.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by Sammyg2

Maybe if you got up off your arse and worked hard and EARNED what you want instead of demanding you get more than your share of what other people worked hard and earned, you might not seem like such a sniveling loser.

Poor Sammy, for the last time, how do you think I earned a degree, house, Porsche,etc, if not by hard work? How do you think I pay the mortgage on said house?, maintain the 911?, pay bills?(not that it's any of your business) I'm just an educated progressive democratic advocate, not the man you would have me be.

[RWebb]

Isly is confused b/c he thinks all poor people are lazy.

The goal is to help the poor out so they can become producers, and help pay taxes (a source of revenue) instead of being a sink for revenue.

You know, like many of the big corporations that are a sink for our tax revenue.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by RWebb

You know, like many of the big corporations that are a sink for our tax revenue.

Webb, the very point I keep trying to make. We the middle class (working poor) continue to pay income taxes. The link in my previous post tells the story. Corporations (which includes the rich shareholder's) are not paying their fair share.

[Rodsrsr]

News flash...There has been and always will be a segment of society that has very low expectations in life. Call it laziness, call it comfortability or lack of drive, but the bottom line is that many people are happy where they are and have no desire to improve themselves. With these individuals you are only giving them entitlements that are "taken" from others. If one feels so strongly about helping this segment they can freely donate to the charity of their choice.

[scoe911]

So what about the loopholes? just cut entitlement programs and keep the status quo?

[RWebb]

so, Rod sr sr - how do you identify the "many" low or no income people who are happy where they are and have no desire to improve themselves?

how do you separate them from the poor desperate people were are (or were) holding down 2 or 3 jobs at min. wage just to try and eat or pay the rent?

BTW - I have a book for you to read - the title is Nickled and Dimed

Amazon.com: Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America (9780805063899): Barbara Ehrenreich: Books

[Rodsrsr]

[QUOTE=RWebb;6141645]so, Rod sr sr - how do you identify the "many" low or no income people who are happy where they are and have no desire to improve themselves?

how do you separate them from the poor desperate people were are (or were) holding down 2 or 3 jobs at min. wage just to try and eat or pay the rent?


Drug test everyone for starters, time limits on entitlements and make the assistance a type of loan for the true workers. Nothing out of control, say 1º after employed for 1 full year. Just an idea but the point is that people who truly need a little assistance would have no problem paying some back when times are better for them.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by RWebb

how do you separate them from the poor desperate people were are (or were) holding down 2 or 3 jobs at min. wage just to try and eat or pay the rent?

BTW - I have a book for you to read - the title is Nickled and Dimed

Thats because you can't seperate the two.

No need for him to read, I'll make it simple. Think of yourself at sea, and your job is your life perserver. Lose your job and insurance goes with it. Now you can't pay the mortgage and you get sick. Get the point?

[JR Indy]

Originally Posted by scoe911

We the middle class (working poor) .

You work hard, but are still poor???? Either you aren't working hard enough, or you just aren't smart enough.....it must suck to continue to blame someone else for your own inadequacies.

Come on work harder, or smarter or both.......open your own business, create something for yourself and run it the way you want.


Quit looking for someone else to blame and just get busy and stop your whining.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by JR Indy

You work hard, but are still poor???? Either you aren't working hard enough, or you just aren't smart enough.....it must suck to continue to blame someone else for your own inadequacies.

Come on work harder, or smarter or both.......open your own business, create something for yourself and run it the way you want.


Quit looking for someone else to blame and just get busy and stop your whining.

You Conservatives are nothing if not predictable. Thanks for the unsolicited psychchoanalyis now can we get back to the discussion?

[JR Indy]

Originally Posted by scoe911

You Conservatives are nothing if not predictable. Thanks for the unsolicited psychchoanalyis now can we get back to the discussion?

I'm not a conservative, I'm a business owner. You don't discuss, you blame others.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by JR Indy

I'm not a conservative, I'm a business owner. You don't discuss, you blame others.

Well, in the vein of your unsolicited psychoanalysis. I think you suffer from classic narcissistic personality disorder. Plus I've never blamed anyone for anything. I know how to make dreams become reality. Just giving my perspective in this discussion. Now may we continue?

[JR Indy]

Originally Posted by scoe911

Well, in lew of your unsolicited psychoanalysis. I think you suffer from classic narcissistic personality disorder. Plus I've never blamed anyone for anything. I know how to make dreams become reality. Just giving my perspective in this discussion. Now may we continue?

No psychoanalysis. It's clear from your post you tend to blame others for your problems. Have a look.

Your dream was to be working class poor? Way to reach for the stars.

Go ahead, continue with your whining.

[scoe911]

Indy just make sure your taxes are all paid up Mr. business owner. Plus you and your friends may as well buckle up and enjoy the ride.(4 more years) For a narcissist like you that must be hard. Not to worry, I will be around to enjoy your discomfort. JR. Indy? the name sounds about right for you...chip off the old block?

[JR Indy]

Originally Posted by scoe911

Indy just make sure your taxes are all paid up Mr. business owner. Plus you and your friends may as well buckle up and enjoy the ride.(4 more years) For a narcissist like you that must be hard. Not to worry, I will be around to enjoy your discomfort. JR. Indy? the name sounds about right for you...chip off the old block?

Narcissist? Because I work? Right!

If I fail, at least it was on my own. But, don't worry about me, everything is going fine...it's a lot of work but it is if you want to overcome. Try it sometime and maybe you won't be "working poor".

[black73]

Originally Posted by legion

I have a big thread in mind on this topic, but I'll summarize to relevant thoughts.

Progressives view the economy as a static pot and any movement of funds as a zero-sum game. This simplistic understanding of economics manifests itself in a variety of ways. First, progressives think that if they double the tax rate, they will double tax receipts, and if they half the tax rate, they will half tax receipts. Second, they see any corporation who provides services to the poor as "stealing from the poor". A common example is McDonald's. They don't see McDonald's as providing a desirable product for a low price, they see the money they take in exchange for food as stealing, leaving the poor that much poorer. This is why they favor a redistributive tax policy, because they see it as restoring some of the money that is "stolen" from the poor. (They have no concept of earning anything.)

Progressives see the government as the ultimate benevolent institution. They view any spending the government does as "good". If a government spends more than it takes in, it is just doing that much more "good". They see deficits as only being bad because ignorant people (conservatives) have convinced people that they are bad. Because government can make the rules for the games it plays, and choose winners and losers, it should be able to make itself a winner while incurring massive spending deficits.

To summarize, they see "responsible" action as wholly unnecessary, and are only entertaining ideas about doing anything about the deficit because some of their supporters (Wall Street) are pushing them to do so. This is all just window-dressing to them, their real goal is to put the issue to bed WHILE at the same time laying the groundwork for more "good" government spending.

Interesting. did you do independent research on the subject or did you, by chance, just hear it on the radio?

[black73]

Originally Posted by JR Indy

You work hard, but are still poor???? Either you aren't working hard enough, or you just aren't smart enough.....it must suck to continue to blame someone else for your own inadequacies.

Come on work harder, or smarter or both.......open your own business, create something for yourself and run it the way you want.


Quit looking for someone else to blame and just get busy and stop your whining.

Originally Posted by JR Indy

I'm not a conservative, I'm a business owner. You don't discuss, you blame others.

A summary of the entitlement mentality of business owners......

"Everyone that doesn't own a business is either lazy or stupid"... and envious of my greatness... and trying to take what's mine,..etc., etc.

What a narrow-minded, self serving view of the world.

[RWebb]

oh my! surely you are not saying that he is.... Narcissistic?