Achtung Birthers!

[Shaun 84 Targa]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Every candidate gets the same treatment and they must, at a minimum, provide every scrap of information the other political party deems valuable or publishes...grades, family docs, the works.

That isn't fair?

What do you mean by same treatment?

Don't agree that other party dictates what gets published. Seems anti-competitive, sort of welfarish.

[Seahawk]

I am being factitious, sort of. Unless we take this to the arduous extreme, nothing will change.

Just read the titles of the other posts in Parf.

MAD.

Originally Posted by foxpaws

I deem it valuable that the political leanings of the opposing candidate's grandmother be published, along with her grades when she was at St Mary's School for Wayward Girls, and the fact that she once dated Adolf Hitler...

Come on Seahawk - part of the problem we have right now is the press digging into every candidate's tiniest iota of info they can find - (I really hope you meant for your comment to be in green... )

Would you run? I wouldn't any more, and a lot of really good people won't either -

We, the American people, are the losers in this never ending battle of dirt and mudslinging - we aren't getting candidates that are good, qualified people, because they don't want their lives, along with their entire family's lives pulled apart in the press.

[Hugh R]

Originally Posted by porwolf

Yeah, and how many of you were looking into John McCain's birth in 2008. He was born in Panama!

Don't be stupid, his parents were Americans, so was Obama's Mom so both are Americans.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

Don't be stupid, his parents were Americans, so was Obama's Mom so both are Americans.

That should settle the birthing question.

[Hugh R]

One would think. How about his transcripts and thesis?

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

One would think. How about his transcripts and thesis?

So those are the righties latest Obama obsessions? Transcripts, thesis? Get a life!

[BeyGon]

wouldn't take long to read his transcripts or his thesis, why not let people see them. Show us what a great student he was, show us he really didn't spend all his time smoking dope and snorting coke. He must have enjoyed that time, he wrote about it. Did he write about his grades?

[JE928sx4]

Originally Posted by drew1

Isn't POTUS paid $200,000 salary & $200,000 expenses?

What kind of house payment would 200K/year make? What I would like to know is who is paying for Obama's 6 or 8 million dollar house in Chicago while working people are losing theirs.

That information is pretty easy to find out if you just went and actually looked for it.

[Tobra]

Actually, the college transcripts and thesis were a significant topic of conversation when he was not vetted the first time around. We know less about him than any POTUS in my lifetime, to say otherwise is more than a bit ludicrous. Information age my ass. I suspect Mr Obama is tickled pink that folks are talking about anything but what he has been up to for the last three years. If this were not true, he would be running on his record.

I would be interested to know if Mr Obama applied to Occidental as a foreign student, or got any financial aid in that capacity. We already know that he did not actually do a lot on the Law Review deal at Harvard, nothing that can be identified anyway. We also know that he did not get his leadership position on the Law Review because of any sort of academic achievement, that was not how they chose that position when he held it. Ironically this is very similar to the case with his being selected President, in a sad way.

It does not matter if he is eligible to be POTUS at this point or not.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Actually, the college transcripts and thesis were a significant topic of conversation when he was not vetted the first time around. We know less about him than any POTUS in my lifetime, to say otherwise is more than a bit ludicrous. Information age my ass. I suspect Mr Obama is tickled pink that folks are talking about anything but what he has been up to for the last three years. If this were not true, he would be running on his record.

I would be interested to know if Mr Obama applied to Occidental as a foreign student, or got any financial aid in that capacity. We already know that he did not actually do a lot on the Law Review deal at Harvard, nothing that can be identified anyway. We also know that he did not get his leadership position on the Law Review because of any sort of academic achievement, that was not how they chose that position when he held it. Ironically this is very similar to the case with his being selected President, in a sad way.

It does not matter if he is eligible to be POTUS at this point or not.

How old are you? In your lifetime? Why limit your presidential knowledge when there are 43 former presidents to learn about?

You give yourself too much credit if you claim you know more about recent presidents than our current president. that could be relative knowledge (e.g. you know some things about Bush, not as much about Obama) or academic knowledge (you're a historian). If so, can you name the women in John Kennedy's life w/o referring to Google or equivalent? What were his physical ailments? What made him tick? Or did you know at the time of his presidency? I think probably not, but surprise me/us. Not old enough? As a result, your historical POV is limited.

Sherwood

[jcommin]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

The reality is that thanks to the claim of the birth certificate bieng counterfeit, it doesn't matter what is released now. If anything is released whoever releases the info will be accused of supporting their bias with doctored material. If it shows revelations embarassing to the President, it will be a right-wing hack job that omitted lots of positive stuff, and made up hateful crap. If the info establishes an unblemished record of All-American integrity, it will be left-wing garbage made up to pull the wool over the eyes of a blind population.

It doesn't matter now. Make up whatever biography you want for our President, because you can't believe what you're told or see at this point anyhow.

This is a great point Taz. What will anyone believe? The current line of thinking is: "I believe when I say I beleive it and I don't believe it"

With logic like that, this subject of Obama's vetting will be around long after he is dead and a his monument is in the Washington Mall.

[jcommin]

Originally Posted by foxpaws

Student loans...

But - let's keep this whole birther thing going, I notice Romney is afraid to go against Trump in Trump's latest round of "look at me, look at me - oh, where is the Birth Certificate" silliness...

If you guys don't think that the Clinton machine looked under every rock, peered inside every nook, and investigated every cranny when Hillary ran against Obama in the 2008 primaries, you are living in a fantasy world. If there were real legs to any of the allegations - the machine would have found them.

But, please - continue the madness -

Another great point fox!

[Shaun 84 Targa]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Actually, the college transcripts and thesis were a significant topic of conversation when he was not vetted the first time around.

Wait, he wasn't vetted? Really?

We knew he paled around with terrorists. We knew he attended a hate-filled, racist church. We knew he was raise by Pakistani masters who got him into Harvard.

Hilary vetted him.

Palin vetted him.

Fox News vetted him.

Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin vetted him.

Drudge vetted him.

James O'Keefe vetted him.

Breitbart vetted him.

Seems fully vetted to me.

But if by "he wasn't vetted the first time around" means that nothing was found in his closet to keep him from becoming President," then I agree. But he was fully vetted.

I did hear that Obama was born in Kenya though, so maybe you have something.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by drew1

Isn't POTUS paid $200,000 salary & $200,000 expenses?

What kind of house payment would 200K/year make? What I would like to know is who is paying for Obama's 6 or 8 million dollar house in Chicago while working people are losing theirs.

His total net assets are estimated to be as high as 8 million.

The house is currently valued at just over 1 million.

Obama's paid 1.6 for it on an asking price of just under 2 million.

[Tobra]

Really? Send me a copy of his college info then Shaun, the Clinton's et al tried and failed to get much of anything substantive from his past. Anything he did while on the Harvard law review would be nice, or maybe how did he pay for any of his education.

I don't recall ever seeing anything like that at all, or even a half assed explanation why it is all double top secret. All this from "the most transparent administration" ever, sorry EVAR!

I won't hold my breath

[Shaun 84 Targa]

LOL! Your beef is with Fox News, not me. You should be asking them.

My sense is Obama does this just to wind you guys up. Look at how great it works! I mean seriously, you want to know his grades and how he paid for college. Those are really important issues we as a country face today.

What Obama knows is that anyone wanting this info would never vote for him. And he knows that your hunger for this info makes you look bat***** crazy and moves independents over to him.

So keep going. You are doing great work for his campaign.

And since a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama, I'm OK with either one.

[JE928sx4]

It don't matter. The Bilderbergers are deciding who will win the Presidency this week in Chantilly. VA.

[jcommin]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Really? Send me a copy of his college info then Shaun, the Clinton's et al tried and failed to get much of anything substantive from his past. Anything he did while on the Harvard law review would be nice, or maybe how did he pay for any of his education.

I don't recall ever seeing anything like that at all, or even a half assed explanation why it is all double top secret. All this from "the most transparent administration" ever, sorry EVAR!

I won't hold my breath

Why worry about what BO did as a kid or HS, college or law school. He has a record for the last 3 1/2 yrs that should clearly supercede anything he did at 5, 10, 17, 21 and 25 years of age. The next election should be a referendum of on his performance as president.

but, I have learned that "you can't stop people on Kamakazi missions ." Have fun - I out of this post and future birther ones.

[Tobra]

It speaks to his lack of character Jim.

I think you are exactly right Shaun. Mr Obama wants to deflect attention from his "achievements" as a politician as much as possible. That is why he tightly holds everything about himself that he can.

Who has started the "birther" threads here in the last 6 months? My guess would be 100% lefties.

[JE928sx4]

Outside of this thread, I can't think of one Birther thread started by anyone outside the conservatives on this forum. It usually comes up in the daily rehashing of old worn rants you guys cling to that never die here. They just get new life under a new title.

Feel free to correct me if you know of another example as ther could be another odd one out there among the many.

Originally Posted by Tobra

It speaks to his lack of character Jim.

I think you are exactly right Shaun. Mr Obama wants to deflect attention from his "achievements" as a politician as much as possible. That is why he tightly holds everything about himself that he can.

Who has started the "birther" threads here in the last 6 months? My guess would be 100% lefties.