AP reporting - Amnesty for younger illegals

[intakexhaust]

Awesome - Modern day slavery becomes legal. All branches of this government are spineless and thats the real danger. All caveing in, no balance of powers, let alone parties.

I'd love to see a Caterpillar piston rammed up the company executives asses. They have so many illegals working in their factories and suppliers, and given the fragile state of economy worldwide, do you really think the US gov. and immigration would go after them? Go ahead Caterpillar, I welcome you to suit for defamation... check out your Peoria and Janesville plants... Oh, thats right, its illegal for you to ask for status verification as its considered a witchhunt...

The people of this country are duped blind. Let's raise Grover Cleveland from the dead.... in 1888 he kicked some ass and was for protecting the American worker unlike today where the illegals cry and ALWAYS get their way. Cleveland was tough and forbade any Chinese laborer to land on our shores. Upwards of 100,000 had emigrated to the US, mostly California, and their cheap labor was believed to be hurtful, rather than helpful to the country.

So some might disagree but the big issue was deeper than just taking jobs from citizens, as the chinaman came simply to get what he could out of the country and then left forever back to his homeland and family. This is what the majority of illegal Mexicans do. The money leaves and the above 50 year old leave and go back to Mexico. Also, by the way, Mexican parents ARE OF FULL BELIEF and ENCOURAGE CHILD LABOR.

[drew1]

Am I in favor of letting imigrants who came in illegally as children, were raised & schooled here, stay? Yes, I am.

Am I in favor of letting immigrants who serve & have served in our armed forces stay? Yes I am. I thought this had been the policy for years.

I can't see why anybody is against this. It is our failure by not pressing our representatives to put these 2 things into law.

[island911]

I agree with your first two lines, Drew . . but there is THIS

Von Rick Lee

I think you missed it too. The issue here is that the president bypassed the legislative process to change the law by exec. fiat in order to buy votes he sorely needs. In fact, just a year ago he said he legally couldn't do what he did today. I guess he summoned the courage after having a tough week in the news and polls.

AND, what Obama did puts them in a limbo mode, among other issues... It is a MESS!

[BeyGon]

With the economy like it is, so many people out of work, this lets even more illegals into a suffering work force, "legally". Some people could be upset. maybe the other half of his unemployed base when they understand it.

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

... as the chinaman came simply to get what he could out of the country and then left forever back to his homeland and family...

In all fairness, that's in large part due to laws that only allowed for Chinese men to enter our country. You couldn't bring your wife and family (with the exception of one son, IIRC, though I'm not sure if that part was in effect when Grover Cleveland was president).

[island911]

Originally Posted by georgeinhere

...
Under Obama, we have seeing more deportations than any other time in history. ....

Source?

My (ICE) friend who works to round up illegals for deportation tells me just the opposite. ...they used to raid factories, sending back every illegal. now, they only nab the trouble makers (read: the business owner)

[PFFOG]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

...............
What a country we have become. Try that in just about any other country on the planet..

I am glad so many Aborigines, are on this board. Damn all the immigrants anyway, throw them all out...................oops, that would be US.

What country have we become?

The same one we have been all along, does this ring a bell?


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Emma Lazarus, 1883

These prose are most famous for being on the Statue of Liberty.

The US has a history of importing others to do the things we don't want to, from African slaves to serve as laborers and servants, to the Irish to build Railroads, to the Italians to cook, fish, tailor and cobble, the Polish, so we could tell jokes.

Carry on

[drew1]

Originally Posted by island911

I agree with your first two lines, Drew . . but there is THIS

AND, what Obama did puts them in a limbo mode, among other issues... It is a MESS!

Island, I agree with you.

[Rick Lee]

Rest assured, putting these kids in further limbo is just setting up the next amnesty move. And once these kids become citizens or even just get green cards, they will be fully able to sponsor their criminal parents for green cards, which is exactly the reward they wanted when they came here illegally. Once the criminal parents get green cards, it's just a matter of waiting out the clock until they're guaranteed citizenship and thus voting rights, which means their votes will also be for sale to the most pandering candidates.

[Eric 88 Carrera]

This is step two of a two step process to help get out the Vote for Our Dear Leader and the Kleptocrat party.

Step 1: Just-Us Department Hack Eric Holder sues, harasses and intimidates any state that passes voter integrity laws and uses the court system to delay implementation.

Step 2: Our Dear Leader, Big Sis Janet Napolitano and Just-Us Hack Eric Holder ceases enforcement of immigration laws. Rule of Law -- just doesn't apply to progressives.

More proof that in Liberal Progressive Land everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Eric 88 Carrera

Step 2: Our Dear Leader, Big Sis Janet Napolitano and Just-Us Hack Eric Holder ceases enforcement of immigration laws. Rule of Law -- just doesn't apply to progressives.

And here's the big rub. The Const. says "The President must take care that the laws be failthfully executed." But the pro-Amnesty crowd and Obama ball washers (but I repeat myself) think it's just fine to throw the Const. to the wind when it suits their political agenda. If the POTUS can ignore the law here, when and where can't he ignore it? How can anyone see this as anything other than a cynical election ploy and power grab? He could have done this in 2009 the right way, which he promised, and didn't even try. Why does he get a pass for that?

[island911]

As I understand it, (years ago) teamObama (Nappie) had directed homeland security (Customs)agents to never pursue illegals unless they were breaking laws such as drug or human trafficking. (no more lettuce packing plant raids).

...that teamObama would not improve conduits for people to apply for and proceed thru legitimate citizenship process; but rather, teamObama will promulgate an under-class of Limbo-illegals who want to work. ...who will take crappy jobs for below minimum wage because, hey, they are not here legally anyways, so minimum wages do not apply.

So what has really happened here, with this announcement? ...Limbo-mode continued ....more pandering to a victim tribe. ....a victim tribe which will have utility (to Democrats) only as long as they can remain a victim tribe.

When Obama says "Keep Hope Alive" he means it. ..."Hope" is his best sales tool. Results would sink "Hope."

[johnsjmc]

So can I vote with an ITIN ? Doubt it! I expect the net result in the upcoming election from this action will be negligable. He has pissed some people off and made some happy. Probable net no change. At least some one is doing something by executive order or otherwise. You must have noticed by now that congress is unable to get anything done by itself.

[McLovin]

Regardless of what one's position is on immigration policies, it's sad that our country has come to a point where a President can do something like this, and so many find it even remotely acceptable.

I think the truest statement about politics is that we get the politicians we deserve.

[RWebb]

"to change the law"

or, did he merely change the enforcement of the law, over which he clearly has discretion?

you guys should focus on Rubio's comments anyway

[johnsjmc]

All the past presidents have issued executive orders. There have been over 13000 EOs issued by all presidents so far. Obama about 180 during his term, Bush 2 about 400, Clinton about 300,Bush 1 about 120, Reagan about 700 ,Ike about 1000, Roosevelt about 4000.
I consider an EO allowing torture ,or killing of American citizens by drone strike some of the more significant ones. It seems to be accepted as legal (until you are a drone target anyway)

[drew1]

Originally Posted by Eric 88 Carrera

This is step two of a two step process to help get out the Vote for Our Dear Leader and the Kleptocrat party.

Step 1: Just-Us Department Hack Eric Holder sues, harasses and intimidates any state that passes voter integrity laws and uses the court system to delay implementation.

Step 2: Our Dear Leader, Big Sis Janet Napolitano and Just-Us Hack Eric Holder ceases enforcement of immigration laws. Rule of Law -- just doesn't apply to progressives.

More proof that in Liberal Progressive Land everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

I have a feeling this is what it is about. ACORN, under a new name, will have these "young immigrants" voting in place of the dead, incarcerated, etc.


edit: "in place of" instead of "for"

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by johnsjmc

So can I vote with an ITIN ? Doubt it! I expect the net result in the upcoming election from this action will be negligable. He has pissed some people off and made some happy. Probable net no change. At least some one is doing something by executive order or otherwise. You must have noticed by now that congress is unable to get anything done by itself.

The people he pisses off and makes happy do not cancel each other out. Popular vote doesn't matter here. Who wins each state is what matters. Obama is going for the states with large Hispanic populations. Pissing people off in flyover states he wasn't going to win anyway is no loss at all for him. Congress is very much able to get this kind of thing done and this would have sailed through in 2009 when his party handily controlled both houses and he promised he'd do it.

[intakexhaust]

These major elections are going to get uglier and uglier. Then both parties throw another curveball to get the media off each of their candidates. They start this which is the 'gay' president or this amnesty thing for 800k but all these @ssholes refuse to tackle the true issues.

Pure and simple fact is not one of them is able to pull together as a team - right, left or middle and make good for the people of this country. They don't even know where to start.

I sound nutz, but in this latest ruling, I would rather have seen a dictator style president solve the immigrant issue by declaring war on Mexico and just take over the country. To start with, we would have massive oil resources (good bye mid-east), mining and more, plus give those south of the border all that the US has to offer. Business's can readjust their tax haven, low wage operations and balance the issues here. The many years of work available of updating a current despicable infrastructure in Mexico could be amazing for all business. We would crush the commie Chinese and europe would flock to buy our goods. In turn, we'd be spending for lavish euro goods which most Americans regard as snooty but we likey!

One more thing. The military can keep busy and play by blasting away drug lords. No rightful minded American is going to argue with that!

[island911]

Originally Posted by RWebb

"to change the law"

or, did he merely change the enforcement of the law, over which he clearly has discretion?..

Right. . . and POTUS Romney will then clearly have the discretion to not enforce EPA laws --since the R's WANT dirty air and water. And he can choose to not enforce laws when the KKK shows up in Black Dem districts voting polls with fully automatic weapons -- Hell, he can sue any State which mess with his wishes.

Of course, this is all assuming that Obama doesn't decide that no elections results will be upheld.

Yay for Hope & Change.