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Obama political definition denies solder benefits

The Obama administration's refusal the call the Fort Hood massacre a terrorist attack means solders and their families are denied benefits.
The definition of " work place violence " means reduced and in some cases no benefits for our dead and wounded soldiers.

Obama refuses to except that radical Islam is the terror based ideology and that refusal seems to be inbred in his core.
Playing politic with the benefits of our soldiers seems rather punk to me.

Fort Hood Shooting Victims Want Incident Deemed Terror Act
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What kind of benefit does 'solder' usually get when it is attacked?
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Shot 6 times by a terrorist and no Purple Heart. John Kerry got three with only a scratch. Where is the outrage? Stinks on ice.
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We've got to get to the 'flux' of the matter.
Things are really 'heating' up.
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The life insurance policy that a soldier's family recieves can be up to $400,000. There is a death gratuity ($100K) and some additional money for expenses and funeral arrangements. The insurance is run by Prudential.

Where the issue comes into play is benefits down the road. If it's terrorism then Purple Hearts can be awarded. This gives certain tax and education benefits to the surviving spouce and children. Not to mention that calling this act workplace violence is beyond galling to those of us in uniform. When a guy is shooting soldiers while shouting Allah Akbar and this guy also happens to have a history of Muslim fundamentalism it sure looks like an act of terrorism.

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You guys are silly.
First you complain about hate crime legislation and say silly things like ' what does the reasoning behind the crime, have to do with the crime. A crime is a crime'.
But when a guy shoots up his workplace His religion or what he was thinking, is all of a sudden so valuable. And if he is the wrong religion it is terrorism.
Some people are too easily terrorized.
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx same old crap xxxxxxxxx
Dipshyt, why do you hate our soldiers?
Why don't your support a simple label that accurately describes a situation so that soldiers and there families get the benefits they're entitled to?
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I don't hate the soldiers. Give the families whatever you want.
I just don't call it terrorism. It could be a friendly fire incident, could be workplace violence, could be training for what they are about to get themselves into.
But it's not terrorism.
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how do you see it any other way?
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Funny how progressives/liberals are all about worker's rights, unions, working conditions, etc...unless you're talking about the military.
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I guess you call it terrorism because of a Jihadi with Al Qaeda ties attacked the US government killing and wounding it's soldiers.
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Dipso, you really need to quit smoking while scrapping lead-based paint. Do you wash your hands before you eat, drink or smoke? Do you taste a sweet taste in your mouth when you smoke? That's lead poisoning which severally affects the brain function, especially cognitive reasoning.

He shouts "Allah Akbar" as he's shooting them, had traded emails with a know al Queda member and you can't connect those dots? It sounds to me like a planned religious attack on American service members = terrorism. Not work place violence, or disgruntled employee or anything but what it was.
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If it was a planned religious attack, that's not terrorism.

This whole FT Hood shooting was fishy from the start anyways. Multiple shooters, eyewitness accounts didn't match the official story, snipers being picked up on golf courses by town cars, the suspect being taunted about his religion by other soldiers.

Whatever happened there, false flag, workplace violence, revenge killing, whatever.
it wasn't terrorism. No more than when a postman shoots up his place of employment. You guys get freaked out too easy.
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If it was a planned religious attack, that's not terrorism.

This whole FT Hood shooting was fishy from the start anyways. Multiple shooters, eyewitness accounts didn't match the official story, snipers being picked up on golf courses by town cars, the suspect being taunted about his religion by other soldiers.

Whatever happened there, false flag, workplace violence, revenge killing, whatever.
it wasn't terrorism. No more than when a postman shoots up his place of employment. You guys get freaked out too easy.
Tell you what, if you really believe this crap, take it to Fort Hood. If they kill you, will it be a terrorist attack?
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If it was a planned religious attack, that's not terrorism.
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So what would it be then? Didn't you consider 9/11 terrorism?
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So the real issue is Purple Hearts, is this correct? Are they normally issued in these types of friendly fire or fragging incidents? Fragging incidents have been commonplace since at least WW2, the reason that some unbalanced soldier or Marine shoots a fellow service member never really affected whether someone got a PH, is this correct?

From my understanding, nearly everything in the military is guided by rules and regulations. The OP, who has a constant, tiny hard-on for anything to do with Obama, seems to be claiming that Obama himself has reviewed the military's decision regarding the issuance of PHs and stamped "denied" on the request.

If, and that's a big if, the issue of whether to issue PHs to the victims of the FH shooting ever crossed Obama's desk, you can bet that he sought council from his military leaders on what the correct procedure was and who normally makes those decisions.

Who decides whether someone gets a combat medal? The POTUS or some military brass? Are PHs ever dispensed for non-combat injuries?
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"Currently, the Purple Heart is authorized for any member of the US Armed Forces who has been wounded or died from wounds sustained after April 5, 1917, under one of the following conditions:
1) in action against an enemy of the United States.
2) in action against an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the U.S. Armed Forces are or have been engaged.
3) while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.
4) as a result of an act of any such enemy or opposing armed forces.
5) as the result of an act of any hostile foreign force.
6) after March 28, 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States.
7) After March 28, 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.
8) a service member who is killed or wounded in action as the result of action by friendly weapon fire while directly engaged in combat, other than as a result of an act of an enemy of the United States, unless (in the case of a wound) the wound is the result of willful misconduct of the member (in accordance with section 1129 of Title 10, United States Code).
9) Before April 25, 1962, while held as a prisoner of war (or while being taken captive) in the same manner as a former prisoner of war who is wounded on or after that date while held as prisoner of war (in accordance with section 521 of Public Law (P.L.) 104-106 Section 521.16..."

"...Awards for Crime Victims and Domestic Terrorism
On June 1, 2009, a man who was allegedly angry over the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan opened fire on two U.S. Army soldiers near a recruiting station in Little Rock, Arkansas, killing one and wounding the other.21 On November 5, 2009, an Army major opened fire at Ft. Hood, TX, killing 13 and wounding 29, many of them service members. Both men were charged with murder and other crimes.22 Federal and local law enforcement authorities considered these acts to be crimes and the Defense Department reports the Fort Hood shooting as “workplace violence,” not acts perpetrated by an enemy or hostile force.23 By labeling these shootings criminal acts, those killed or wounded do not qualify for Purple Hearts.24 However, some believe these acts should be viewed as acts of war or domestic terrorism because they involved Muslim perpetrators angered over U.S. actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.25 All military killed or wounded in the September 11th attacks were awarded Purple Hearts because the perpetrators were not American citizens, making those attacks
“international terrorism.”26 The 2009 shootings currently do not qualify as international terrorism, despite being motivated by an international ideology, because the perpetrators were American citizens....."

(Kerry Clause) "A wound qualifying for a Purple Heart must have required treatment, not just examination, by a military medical officer or other medical professional. That treatment must be noted in the service member’s medical record. If treatment was given by a medical professional who was not a medical officer, a medical officer has to certify that the injury would have required treatment from a medical officer had one been available..."
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Applicable timeline
"...Apr. 25, 1962: President Kennedy extends eligibility to civilians serving with military forces.
Feb. 23, 1984: President Reagan awards Purple Hearts to those killed and wounded in terrorist attacks after March 28, 1973 or on peacekeeping missions outside the United States.
Feb. 10, 1996: National Defense Authorization Act for FY97 includes prisoners of war captured prior to April 25, 1962.
Nov. 18, 1997: National Defense Authorization Act for FY98 limits future Purple Heart awards to members of the Armed Forces."

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It is not about the medals Denis.

Do you still believe the attack where the ambassador to Libya was murdered was about a trailer for a movie? How about the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny?
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