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E=mc˛ is liberal claptrap.

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E=mc˛ is Einstein's famous formula which asserts that the energy (E) which makes up the matter in any body is equal to the square of the speed of light (c˛) times the mass (m) of that body.[1] It is a statement that purports to relate all matter to energy. In fact, no theory has successfully unified the laws governing mass (i.e., gravity) with the laws governing light (i.e., electromagnetism), and numerous attempts to derive E=mc˛ in general from first principles have failed. Political pressure, however, has since made it impossible for anyone pursuing an academic career in science to even question the validity of this nonsensical equation. Simply put, E=mc˛ is liberal claptrap.

Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge predicts that a unified theory of all the laws of physics is impossible, because light and matter were created at different times, in different ways, as described in the Book of Genesis.

Mass is a measure of an object's inertia, in other words its resistance to acceleration. In contrast, the intrinsic energy of an object (such as an atom) is a function of electrostatic charge and other non-inertial forces, having nothing to do with gravity. Declaring the object's energy to be a function of inertia rather than electrostatics is an absurd and impossible attempt to unify the forces of nature, contrary to Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge.

For more than a century, the claim that E=mc˛ has never yielded anything of value. Often it seems to be used as a redefinition of "energy" for pseudo-scientific purposes, as by the lamestream media. There have been attempts to find some justification for the equation in already understood processes involved in nuclear power generation and nuclear weapons, and in the speculation about antimatter.[2]

The Theory of Relativity has never been able to mathematically derive E=mc˛ from first principles, and a physicist observed in a peer-reviewed paper published in 2011 that "a rigorous proof of the mass-energy equivalence is probably beyond the purview of the special theory."[3]
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And in a related story, pi is actually equal to 3.

Is Conservapedia a satirical site? Like The Onion? I sure hope so. If not, somebody needs to go all Feynman on their azz.

For those that are interested, there is actually a good derivation of E=mc^2 out there written in layman's terms.
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Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge. Was that an addendum somewhere? That would have to include the Flat Earth theories as well I guess.
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Interstingly, Einstein did believe in a Supreme Being. He did not follow any specific religion, but he thought that he had detected the presence of something out there, an unseen hand, that appeared to be our creator. He didn't know what to make of it, but he believed Something was out there.

I have arrived at my own grand unification theory. We are finite beings with limited knowledge and ability. The universe is infinite. God, by definition, is all-knowing, all-present, and all-powerful; he is infinite. Therefore, the best we can do is gain a limited understanding of an infinite universe and an infinite God. Perhaps the different views different people and cultures have had of God are all correct, but they are just their perception of God, limited by their knowledge and ability to understand. That as humanity grows and evolves it is able to discover, understand and comprehend more, but we will never reach full knowledge or understanding because we remain finite and God, the Universe and Everything are infinite.

I don't think the Bible was written as a science text to explain how God created us; I don't think that's the point. I think the Bible was written to explain why God created us and what he wants us to do while we're here on earth. I see no contradiction between science and religion. I see, as did Einstein, the power of God manifested in the laws of physics, His hands holding me in force of gravity, His creative life-forming power in the process of evolution.
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Interstingly, Einstein did believe in a Supreme Being. He did not follow any specific religion, but he thought that he had detected the presence of something out there, an unseen hand, that appeared to be our creator. He didn't know what to make of it, but he believed Something was out there.

I have arrived at my own grand unification theory. We are finite beings with limited knowledge and ability. The universe is infinite. God, by definition, is all-knowing, all-present, and all-powerful; he is infinite. Therefore, the best we can do is gain a limited understanding of an infinite universe and an infinite God. Perhaps the different views different people and cultures have had of God are all correct, but they are just their perception of God, limited by their knowledge and ability to understand. That as humanity grows and evolves it is able to discover, understand and comprehend more, but we will never reach full knowledge or understanding because we remain finite and God, the Universe and Everything are infinite.

I don't think the Bible was written as a science text to explain how God created us; I don't think that's the point. I think the Bible was written to explain why God created us and what he wants us to do while we're here on earth. I see no contradiction between science and religion. I see, as did Einstein, the power of God manifested in the laws of physics, His hands holding me in force of gravity, His creative life-forming power in the process of evolution.
Yup. What he said.
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Interstingly, Einstein did believe in a Supreme Being. He did not follow any specific religion, but he thought that he had detected the presence of something out there, an unseen hand, that appeared to be our creator. He didn't know what to make of it, but he believed Something was out there.

I have arrived at my own grand unification theory. We are finite beings with limited knowledge and ability. The universe is infinite. God, by definition, is all-knowing, all-present, and all-powerful; he is infinite. Therefore, the best we can do is gain a limited understanding of an infinite universe and an infinite God. Perhaps the different views different people and cultures have had of God are all correct, but they are just their perception of God, limited by their knowledge and ability to understand. That as humanity grows and evolves it is able to discover, understand and comprehend more, but we will never reach full knowledge or understanding because we remain finite and God, the Universe and Everything are infinite.

I don't think the Bible was written as a science text to explain how God created us; I don't think that's the point. I think the Bible was written to explain why God created us and what he wants us to do while we're here on earth. I see no contradiction between science and religion. I see, as did Einstein, the power of God manifested in the laws of physics, His hands holding me in force of gravity, His creative life-forming power in the process of evolution.
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

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Interstingly, Einstein did believe in a Supreme Being. He did not follow any specific religion, but he thought that he had detected the presence of something out there, an unseen hand, that appeared to be our creator. He didn't know what to make of it, but he believed Something was out there.
Based solely on his writings, I think this is a bit of a stretch. Einstein seemed to be more a fan of Spinoza's god. Maybe paraphrased as "god is simply nature". But even if the above is an accurate assessment of his beliefs, it should also be stated that he completely and emphatically rejected the idea of the Christian god:

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biblical scientific foreknowledge?!?! buhahahaha! that has got to be the ultimate oxymoron. biblical proportions, even.

please stuart, tell us that you posted this as a joke.....
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Interstingly, Einstein did believe in a Supreme Being. He did not follow any specific religion, but he thought that he had detected the presence of something out there, an unseen hand, that appeared to be our creator. He didn't know what to make of it, but he believed Something was out there.

I have arrived at my own grand unification theory. We are finite beings with limited knowledge and ability. The universe is infinite. God, by definition, is all-knowing, all-present, and all-powerful; he is infinite. Therefore, the best we can do is gain a limited understanding of an infinite universe and an infinite God. Perhaps the different views different people and cultures have had of God are all correct, but they are just their perception of God, limited by their knowledge and ability to understand. That as humanity grows and evolves it is able to discover, understand and comprehend more, but we will never reach full knowledge or understanding because we remain finite and God, the Universe and Everything are infinite.

I don't think the Bible was written as a science text to explain how God created us; I don't think that's the point. I think the Bible was written to explain why God created us and what he wants us to do while we're here on earth. I see no contradiction between science and religion. I see, as did Einstein, the power of God manifested in the laws of physics, His hands holding me in force of gravity, His creative life-forming power in the process of evolution.
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God is the nature of things...yup, I'll go with that.
so how do you get from this ... to hating gays?

everyone gets .... hippy-like about religion when it suits there needs, but extremely hard nosed about it when it suits there political agendas ....
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so how do you get from this ... to hating gays?

everyone gets .... hippy-like about religion when it suits there needs, but extremely hard nosed about it when it suits there political agendas ....
Being hard-nosed may be helpful in a gay situation.
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so how do you get from this ... to hating gays?

everyone gets .... hippy-like about religion when it suits there needs, but extremely hard nosed about it when it suits there political agendas ....
I don't think this is a fair criticism. There are plenty of hippy-dippy religious liberals and more than a few open-minded and tolerant religious conservatives. Plenty of people form their political views as an outgrowth of their religious views and wouldn't use religion to justify their political adgendas.

The standard for religious conservatives remains the great liberal Republican, Abraham Lincoln, who said that he doesn't spend much time worying about who's side God is on - he tries to make sure he's on God's side. Religious people, like all other human beings, are imperfect and need to be reminded from time to time to observe the standards that they aspire to meet. But the fact that humans are imperfect and some religious people fail to meet your standards isn't an indictment of religion.
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I don't think this is a fair criticism. There are plenty of hippy-dippy religious liberals and more than a few open-minded and tolerant religious conservatives. Plenty of people form their political views as an outgrowth of their religious views and wouldn't use religion to justify their political adgendas.

The standard for religious conservatives remains the great liberal Republican, Abraham Lincoln, who said that he doesn't spend much time worying about who's side God is on - he tries to make sure he's on God's side. Religious people, like all other human beings, are imperfect and need to be reminded from time to time to observe the standards that they aspire to meet. But the fact that humans are imperfect and some religious people fail to meet your standards isn't an indictment of religion.
im just saying, in threads like these folks all the time talk about god being some mystical and amorphous entity like "something out there" or "the force of love" or some other bull ****. and then step 2 is hating gay people or Easter eggs and the war on christmas.

its total bull ****. the stack of assumptions is a mile long, and they all start with an unprovable one: god exists. even if you could prove god exists that means NOTHING about the god of the bible, or the accuracy of the accounts in the bible, or the political/social commentary in the bible, or jack ****. its total bull ****.
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Oh, I can prove God exists. The scientific consensus is that we live in an infinite universe. All evidence points to this. In an infinite universe, everything exists. Infinite, remember? Every permutation of everything in the universe does occur and does exist because the universe is infinite and that is what infinite is. Therefore, God exists within or amongst that infinity. Now what form He is and what is His nature, is open to debate and probably depends on the perspective of the observer. Perhaps in an infinite universe, God exists to those who see Him and He does not exist for those who don't. Since infinity calls for a God, it also calls for the absense of God. And we know from the Theory of Relativity that mutually exclusive things can happen simultaniously, and be viewed differently depending on your perspective.

QED, God exists.

Now, just out of curiosity, since you invoke the scientific method and assert that the existence of God can't be proven, please set forth the test you believe would be able to ascertain the existence or non-existence of God. What is the test which would be useful in determining whether there is a God and what is sufficient proof that the test has failed or succeeded?
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MRM, i think you are conflating the word 'infinite' with your "argument", above. just saying.
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Oh, I can prove God exists. The scientific consensus is that we live in an infinite universe. All evidence points to this. In an infinite universe, everything exists. Infinite, remember? Every permutation of everything in the universe does occur and does exist because the universe is infinite and that is what infinite is. Therefore, God exists within or amongst that infinity. Now what form He is and what is His nature, is open to debate and probably depends on the perspective of the observer. Perhaps in an infinite universe, God exists to those who see Him and He does not exist for those who don't. Since infinity calls for a God, it also calls for the absense of God. And we know from the Theory of Relativity that mutually exclusive things can happen simultaniously, and be viewed differently depending on your perspective.

QED, God exists.

Now, just out of curiosity, since you invoke the scientific method and assert that the existence of God can't be proven, please set forth the test you believe would be able to ascertain the existence or non-existence of God. What is the test which would be useful in determining whether there is a God and what is sufficient proof that the test has failed or succeeded?


so then if everything exists, does a small pink unicorn who loves justin bieber and wears red lipstick prance across the sky every night at 11:23 and 45 seconds CST? because you can "prove" that is true with your post.
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Aparently it does because we live in an infinite universe and that is what infinite means. Anything and everything exists because that is what infinite means. Think about infinite for a minute. Mind blowing, isn't it.

Now let's hear your test for dertmining the existence of God.
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