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I favor no immigration or migration by anyone godbothered
no matter the religion
So, in your mind, devout Amish, Quakers, etc.....all pose the same risk as Fundemental Islamists?

You're either good at Trolling, or good at expressing opinions entirely divorced from reality. Jury's still out.

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Looks like they took out his legs and didn't go center mass?
Sounded like they missed 1st...agreed tho...looks like he'd kill at twister!
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How about the Church of Climate Change....you'd allow them right? Or those that believe in Atheism. They are good.
What about the alt left gun nuts?

You just have your own special beliefs and are intolerant of others with a dif view point.

A blather like that simply clouds the issue and gives cover and concealment to the real perps.

You are a whack a mole every time this event (Islamism) happens with the exact same screed.
The fourth seal in John's book of revelations releases the plague of global warming.

If Nota believes in global warming, he also shares beliefs with the "god bothered".
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There's something rotten in Denmark...

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7d_1492716299
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I didn't know that Dutch police operated that far North...
Mostly they shoot thugs in the Netherlands. Other countries, not so much...
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they are as godbothered as our religious right
they are as much gun nuts as any of the alt-right gun nuts
like you they want to pop a cap in those they do not like
and they think god approves of their actions
and demands that everyone follow god's laws
they donot even Q as RINO they are 100% alt-right nut-con to the extreme

I favor no immigration or migration by anyone godbothered
no matter the religion
Insanity must run in your family.
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brb changing facebook profile pic to French flag. This will solve everything.

Stay safe Paris brahs, don't forget to vote Le Pen.
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I think this guy was born and raised in France.
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Kachi....this means nothing at all to ISIS....nothing.
Despite your intellectual knowledge base, you still cannot transpose yourself into some other culture's thinking.

While growing up I was exposed to the various thinking from around the world, I know there are differences which run deeper than the intellect.

How the Christian view of time led to modern science
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https://sixdayscience.com/2014/05/30/time/

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People in the modern West take for granted that events proceed in a line stretching from the past through the present and into the future. They also believe that each point in time is unique—two events can be very similar, but no event or chain of events is ever exactly repeated. This view of time is called linear time, and it is so deeply ingrained in Westerners from birth that it is difficult for them to imagine any other view of time. However, the overwhelming majority of people who have ever lived have had a very different view of this fundamental aspect of existence.

The alternative to linear time is a belief that time endlessly repeats cycles...........

It should therefore be no surprise that the religion and worldview of many cultures were based on a belief in cyclical time. Among them were the Babylonians, ancient Chinese Buddhists, ancient Greeks and Romans, Native Americans, Aztecs, Mayans, and the Old Norse..........
If you want to understand what appears to be an instinctive drive to repeat a Caliphate, you must be able to think in cyclical terms - at least momentarily. Western linear time and thinking where logic reigns will not get you into the Islamic mindset, and the mindset of much of the world for that matter.

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Not only does cyclical time make sense in terms of what people observe in nature, but it also satisfies a deep emotional need for predictability and some degree of control over events that the idea of linear time can’t. If time flows inexorably in one direction, then people are helplessly pulled along, as though by a powerful river current, toward unpredictable events and inevitable death. Cyclical time gives the promise of eternal rebirth and renewal, just as spring always follows winter. These pagan beliefs were so powerful that they continue to influence all of us today; for example, the celebration of the belief in the constant process of renewal is the basis for the New Year holiday.
It is not as difficult for me to recognize cyclical thinking as others. This is because I am a design professional. Design, at least creative design is not very linear, it is far more cyclical in nature although there are parts of both.

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Obviously, all people have thought in terms of linear time on a daily level, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to function. But on the larger scale of months, years, and lifetimes, the notion of linear time was viewed as vulgar and irreverent. A cyclical view of time was a way for people to elevate themselves above the common and vulgar and become connected to that which appeared heavenly, eternal, and sacred. This view also offered a form of salvation in the hope that no matter how bad things are in the world at the moment, the world will inevitably return to some mythical ideal time and offer an escape from the terror of linear time. You and I would consider this ideal time to be in the past, but in cyclical cultures, the past, the present, and the future are on
So, as discussed before the sense of "self" is not the same across the world, and it goes further to include the "sense of time" as well.

Much of the world is mired in history, which holds them back.

The USA is free of this more than any other country, heck in the US most of us easily dismiss the genocide of the Native Americans and slavery as relics of history with no bearing on current events.

Our linearity is focused on the path ahead, not the path behind, and certainly not cyclical. Much of the world thinks in very different terms, failure to recognize this is still failure.

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While it is important that Christians understand that modern science confirms the biblical view of time, it is also important that Christians understand the role of biblical belief in shaping modern science. Modern science developed only after the biblical concept of linear time spread through the World as a result of Christianity. True science, which at its root is the study of cause and effect, absolutely requires linear time.
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ME Muslims 'thinking' as Nations is a very recent thing and not uppermost in their psyche.

The underlying core is family/clan/tribe....and always has been, and Islam. Islam is the intra clan unifier not a national feeling.

Assad is attempting to keep himself in power but that actually translates to keeping the Aliwite Shia sect in power...clan.
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How about the Church of Climate Change....you'd allow them right? Or those that believe in Atheism. They are good.
What about the alt left gun nuts?

You just have your own special beliefs and are intolerant of others with a dif view point.

A blather like that simply clouds the issue and gives cover and concealment to the real perps.

You are a whack a mole every time this event (Islamism) happens with the exact same screed.
Since you feel that people have to "believe" in atheism, it makes me doubt that you have a general grasp of religion at all.
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Since you feel that people have to "believe" in atheism, it makes me doubt that you have a general grasp of religion at all.
How is it not a belief? What about nihilism?
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they are as godbothered as our religious right
they are as much gun nuts as any of the alt-right gun nuts
like you they want to pop a cap in those they do not like
and they think god approves of their actions
and demands that everyone follow god's laws
they donot even Q as RINO they are 100% alt-right nut-con to the extreme

I favor no immigration or migration by anyone godbothered
no matter the religion
I fear for your liver
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I fear for your liver
I fear you and your religious nut co-believers influence
as it is not based on any truth only fairytales

my liver is fine

atheism is not a belief
just like not collecting stamps
is not a hobby
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Since you feel that people have to "believe" in atheism, it makes me doubt that you have a general grasp of religion at all.
Atheism is taking a belief that there is no evidence for. Yes, it takes belief to be an atheist.

Our universe's existence does not have any known natural explanation, and until it does, atheism requires belief.
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Atheism is taking a belief that there is no evidence for. Yes, it takes belief to be an atheist.

Our universe's existence does not have any known natural explanation, and until it does, atheism requires belief.
Yes and no. Faith and belief can range from the simple to the complex depending on the context.

Quite simply a disbelief doesn't require a "belief". I don't have to believe in Atheism to be an atheist.

Meanwhile I do have "faith" in the scientific method. I also don't require a belief in a natural explanation for our existence to disbelieve in a supernatural being.

The reason I took umbrage with Reiv's comment is his seeming attempt to include
Atheism within the umbrella of religious faiths.
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The late New Atheist writer, Christopher Hitchens, put it even more succinctly when he wrote:


"Our belief is not a belief."

http://www.rzim.eu/the-scandanavian-sceptic-or-why-atheism-is-a-belief-system

The article has a salient point...

Non belief is basically nothing and has no causational effect upon the 'non believer'. If there is an issue that is meaningless to me, no belief, I do not comment about it...it is ignored.

The knee jerk reaction we see in parf about anything relating to religion (e.g. terrorism) by the usual suspects is because of their strong beliefs in atheism.
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Here are some Muslims/ ex Muslims that we can support....note. Sufi's/Sufism is not really considered Islam by Sunni/Shia Muslim's but a strange sect.

https://clarionproject.org/five-americans-who-are-standing-up-against-radical-islam/
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The reason I took umbrage with Reiv's comment is his seeming attempt to include Atheism within the umbrella of religious faiths.
This is true, and I'm attempting to explore exactly how this has occurred, along with other inconsistencies Reiv has shown.

You mentioned "scientific method" and this is also a point the article I posted segments of mentioned.

Cyclical time and Linear time are explored in science, nature, economics and in religious beliefs.

Science depends on linear time and so does modern culture. Atheism co-exists with linear time and linear thinking very well, most religions do not.

To get a glimpse of cyclical time all you need is to be a cat owner.

I brush and feed my cat at breakfast time and dinner time - every day. This cycle is so repetitive that I lose count some day on whether I brushed and fed the cat yet. Time it's self seems to flow in on it's self losing all linear confines.

Now imagine praying on your rug five times a day, that's a cycle to contend with. Loss of time, loss of sense of self, it's a wonder they know which way is up after a while.

Religion is cyclical.

Atheism and science are linear.

Therefore Atheism and Science cannot be called religion.
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