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You think they are healthy....if 'very large' they are not. That is a silly comment.
I do not disagree with the other comments except for the self gratuity part...yes, we know, you are saint like in your approach to others.

Everyone knows large folk and has friends in that category.....I wish mine would lose some weight and live longer healthier lives.
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I think we do the obese a disservice by pretending they are anything but what they are. It is little different than looking the other way when a person is clearly abusing drugs or alcohol.

The nation is full of fat, unfit parents raising equally unfit obese children. All will be a burden on society.

Being fat is simply ingesting more calories than you burn. Maintaining or losing weight is not difficult for most folks (if they had a bit of self discipline). As long as we give them excuses, they will fail to maintain a healthy weight. I feel sorry for the morbidly obese (because they are really fat)...but am also disgusted and repulsed that they are as well.
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One aspect of the American obesity explosion that I find very troubling is the amount of obese youth - walk into most any grade level school, and you will see an amazing number of kids who are shockingly overweight. To me, their parents are 100% to blame for this, and I honestly can't believe that they allow it.

And yep, I've thought plenty of derogatory thoughts about obese people, and made jokes at their expense among non-fat friends - doing so is something I definitely consider bad behavior, though.



Peter/RUF, great post, butt was that non-flattering pic of Dean, shirtless and looking at internet porn, really necessary, bro?!?!
Yup. You wanna be a fat adult? Whatever, I don't care. Fat kids, though...that's child abuse.
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I think we do the obese a disservice by pretending they are anything but what they are. It is little different than looking the other way when a person is clearly abusing drugs or alcohol.

The nation is full of fat, unfit parents raising equally unfit obese children. All will be a burden on society.

Being fat is simply ingesting more calories than you burn. Maintaining or losing weight is not difficult for most folks (if they had a bit of self discipline). As long as we give them excuses, they will fail to maintain a healthy weight. I feel sorry for the morbidly obese (because they are really fat)...but am also disgusted and repulsed that they are as well.


You are a complete douchebag who claims to be so intelligent but really isn't imo. There is much that goes into weight gain. Much more complex than a calorie intake/calorie burn issue. Metabolism, hormones, physical disability and many other things can be contributors. You want a perfect utopia, similar to the utopia Hitler had in mind.
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You are a complete douchebag who claims to be so intelligent but really isn't imo. There is much that goes into weight gain. Much more complex than a calorie intake/calorie burn issue. Metabolism, hormones, physical disability and many other things can be contributors. You want a perfect utopia, similar to the utopia Hitler had in mind.
Scott....I think you are getting carried away here.....Hitler...c'mon, you are allowing your personal attitude to color your comments.

Yes, a 'few' folks have real issues that lead to weight gain but honestly it is mostly self inflicted indulgence with little to no real exercise....people think walking a mile is exercise. He is not talking about a utopia...simply people taking responsibility for their fate.
He is right about the kid thig...it is child abuse when you feed your little kid until he balloons to gross proportions....it is an epidemic.
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Scott....I think you are getting carried away here.....Hitler...c'mon, you are allowing your personal attitude to color your comments.



Yes, a 'few' folks have real issues that lead to weight gain but honestly it is mostly self inflicted indulgence with little to no real exercise....people think walking a mile is exercise. He is not talking about a utopia...simply people taking responsibility for their fate.

He is right about the kid thig...it is child abuse when you feed your little kid until he balloons to gross proportions....it is an epidemic.


I believe in personal responsibility. I'm not calling Fint a Nazi. I'm saying that it seems he'd be a fan of a perfect utopia. I think it's a personal issue whether you're obese or not. I'm worried about myself and my family. Not enough time in the day to worry about other people's weight issues.
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I think we do the obese a disservice by pretending they are anything but what they are. It is little different than looking the other way when a person is clearly abusing drugs or alcohol.

The nation is full of fat, unfit parents raising equally unfit obese children. All will be a burden on society.

Being fat is simply ingesting more calories than you burn. Maintaining or losing weight is not difficult for most folks (if they had a bit of self discipline). As long as we give them excuses, they will fail to maintain a healthy weight. I feel sorry for the morbidly obese (because they are really fat)...but am also disgusted and repulsed that they are as well.
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You are a complete douchebag who claims to be so intelligent but really isn't imo. There is much that goes into weight gain. Much more complex than a calorie intake/calorie burn issue. Metabolism, hormones, physical disability and many other things can be contributors. You want a perfect utopia, similar to the utopia Hitler had in mind.
It is pretty simple. You are just making excuses. Don't eat for a few days and see if you gain weight. You just eat too much of the wrong food and don't exercise enough. Metabolism, hormones, physical disability, etc. do not typically force anyone to eat more than their body requires or prevent all exercise.

Obviously you must think mankind has evolved into some sort of different, fat organism in the United States in the last 40 years...because the morbidly obese (or fat people at all) were so rare when I was young that people actually stopped and stared at them. I knew/met one in high school. Yes, he probably had some sort of thyroid problem. Some elderly folks were a bit chubby due to inactivity...but not children and younger adults.

What does Hitler have to do with being fat? You have every right to stuff your face as much as you want. No one is stopping you. If you do, you will be sorry when you get older. Similarly, if you have kids. Letting them get fat is tantamount to abuse.

Once again, you call people names (douchebag) that disagree with you and invoke Hitler. It is just like any other discussion here. Anyone with ideas that differ from yours are attacked. Like most liberals, you have no ability to engage in adult conversation ad discuss ideas. It is almost to the level of a learning disability. I suspect that is why liberals seem to cluster together as it is the only way they can spend their days hearing only opinions that reinforce/agree with theirs.
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I believe in personal responsibility. I'm not calling Fint a Nazi. I'm saying that it seems he'd be a fan of a perfect utopia. I think it's a personal issue whether you're obese or not. I'm worried about myself and my family. Not enough time in the day to worry about other people's weight issues.
It would be a personal issue if not for liberal ideals like ObamaCare, Medicare and medicaid which requires all of society to finance poor health caused by obesity.

Obviously you do have time to worry about other people's weight issues as you have been posting about it here...and virtue signaling on the issue. Yes, you are a good person because you hate people that believe that people are responsible for their actions (and healthy eating and exercise).
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It is pretty simple. You are just making excuses. Don't eat for a few days and see if you gain weight. You just eat too much of the wrong food and don't exercise enough. Metabolism, hormones, physical disability, etc. do not typically force anyone to eat more than their body requires or prevent all exercise.

Obviously you must think mankind has evolved into some sort of different, fat organism in the United States in the last 40 years...because the morbidly obese (or fat people at all) were so rare when I was young that people actually stopped and stared at them. I knew/met one in high school. Yes, he probably had some sort of thyroid problem. Some elderly folks were a bit chubby due to inactivity...but not children and younger adults.

What does Hitler have to do with being fat? You have every right to stuff your face as much as you want. No one is stopping you. If you do, you will be sorry when you get older. Similarly, if you have kids. Letting them get fat is tantamount to abuse.

Once again, you call people names (douchebag) that disagree with you and invoke Hitler. It is just like any other discussion here. Anyone with ideas that differ from yours are attacked. Like most liberals, you have no ability to engage in adult conversation ad discuss ideas. It is almost to the level of a learning disability. I suspect that is why liberals seem to cluster together as it is the only way they can spend their days hearing only opinions that reinforce/agree with theirs.
Being fat has nothing to do with Hitler. Your utopian views do though.
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It is pretty simple. You are just making excuses. Don't eat for a few days and see if you gain weight. You just eat too much of the wrong food and don't exercise enough. Metabolism, hormones, physical disability, etc. do not typically force anyone to eat more than their body requires or prevent all exercise.

Obviously you must think mankind has evolved into some sort of different, fat organism in the United States in the last 40 years...because the morbidly obese (or fat people at all) were so rare when I was young that people actually stopped and stared at them. I knew/met one in high school. Yes, he probably had some sort of thyroid problem. Some elderly folks were a bit chubby due to inactivity...but not children and younger adults.

What does Hitler have to do with being fat? You have every right to stuff your face as much as you want. No one is stopping you. If you do, you will be sorry when you get older. Similarly, if you have kids. Letting them get fat is tantamount to abuse.

Once again, you call people names (douchebag) that disagree with you and invoke Hitler. It is just like any other discussion here. Anyone with ideas that differ from yours are attacked. Like most liberals, you have no ability to engage in adult conversation ad discuss ideas. It is almost to the level of a learning disability. I suspect that is why liberals seem to cluster together as it is the only way they can spend their days hearing only opinions that reinforce/agree with theirs.
Obviously Fint is a doctor in his spare time.
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The Hitler sh it doesn't wash. His named successor, chief advisor and most decorated general was a morbidly obese man named Goring. And he wasn't the only fat Nazi by a long shot. FWIW Goring lost a LOT of weight after he was captured and his daily piles of bratwurst and spatzle were taken away.

Most people have a very poor command of history.

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Being fat has nothing to do with Hitler. Your utopian views do though.
What do "utopian views" have to do with Hitler? Of course, anyone who has ideas that disagree with yours are "Hitler". Funny that your tactics in a thread about "fat shaming" is "idea shaming". Typical for liberals, "virtue signaling" is far more important than the facts.

Keep telling yourself that there is no correlation between eating/caloric intake, exercise and obesity. Folks who tell themselves that usually end up with diabetes and/or a heart attacks. So do their kids.
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Obviously Fint is a doctor in his spare time.
Nope, but my daughter the doctor would tell you exactly the same thing.

It does not require one to be a doctor to understand basic science...and I was a scientist for several years until I was promoted into management.

Since you brought it up (education shamming?)...are you a doctor...scientist...or even have a technical degree/education...or is this something you learned from NPR or in a comic book?

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Everyone knows large folk and has friends in that category.....I wish mine would lose some weight and live longer healthier lives.
Fair sentiment. I just don't find the average obese person repulsive.

I find negative people and obsessive people and people with other types of mental issues to be a lot harder to deal with and be around. It isn't just another category I use to check people out so that I can find myself to be superior. I think Americans have some serious issues. This is just a symptom and a sideshow.
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The Hitler sh it doesn't wash. His named successor, chief advisor and most decorated general was a morbidly obese man named Goring. And he wasn't the only fat Nazi by a long shot. FWIW Goring lost a LOT of weight after he was captured and his daily piles of bratwurst and spatzle were taken away.

Most people have a very poor command of history.
Yes, a better example from WW2 would have been the POWs held by Japan...or even the concentration camp prisoners in Europe. Lots of photos to document condition upon/after release. None were obese. If it is not simple caloric intake and exercise...surely one or two would be obese due to "metabolism, hormones, etc.". Nope, it is all about the inability to prevent oneself from overconsumption of food (gluttony).
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Everyone knows large folk and has friends in that category.....I wish mine would lose some weight and live longer healthier lives.
Fair sentiment. I just don't find the average obese person repulsive.

I find negative people and obsessive people and people with other types of mental issues to be a lot harder to deal with and be around. Fat isn't just another category I use to check people out so that I can find myself to be superior. I think Americans have some serious issues. This is just a symptom and a sideshow.

People have to deal with their problems in their own way, and in their own time. My wife gradually started to gain weight later in life. Pointing that out to her was not helpful. Being concerned for her health and well being was.

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Yes, a better example from WW2 would have been the POWs held by Japan...or even the concentration camp prisoners in Europe. Lots of photos to document condition upon/after release. None were obese. If it is not simple caloric intake and exercise...surely one or two would be obese due to "metabolism, hormones, etc.". Nope, it is all about the inability to prevent oneself from overconsumption of food (gluttony).
Ask your doctor daughter about pituitary tumors and how they affect the human body. You being a former scientist should know. Haha. You are such a blowhard.
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There is some serious PC going on here....

Fint has it more or less right, being an old fart, the kids of my youth were almost uniformly slim and only one kid I knew was fat, which we teased him about, and who got there because his mom figured a good diet included lots of soda, candy and high calorie, fatty foods. I have the class pictures to prove it, right up to finishing university in the late 1970's.

So what changed is the question. To me it is a combination of the growth of consumption of fast food caused by increased disposable income, less tight nuclear families and attendant reduction in home cooked meals together, dual income parents demanding ever more "stuff", more work, less time and hence more dependence on fast food/eating out and "value for money" large portions.

I also wonder, as some research has shown, that the combination of sugars with fats appears to be triggering the body to store more food as fat. There are cultures with high fat diets (Mediterranean comes to mind) who **seem** to be OK, those with low fat diets who are generally slim (Japanese), but when you get the fat/sugar combo the problems start to expand.

I have great sympathy for those who are very large and who want to lose weight, it is a daunting challenge particularly as the body fights their weight reduction and it can be a very long journey to lose, say, 100 lbs.

However, pretending that being obese is normal, and getting the whole PC world wanting to lynch fat shamers is just nuts. Fat people are unwell, not anything to be admired with regard to their physical health and appearance and we as society or media ought to be honest enough to say so.

And as for all of us, undermining the truths of a broader trend with specific exceptions only causes us to fail to recognize the broader truth and from there deal with it.

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I think we do the obese a disservice by pretending they are anything but what they are. It is little different than looking the other way when a person is clearly abusing drugs or alcohol.

The nation is full of fat, unfit parents raising equally unfit obese children. All will be a burden on society.

Being fat is simply ingesting more calories than you burn. Maintaining or losing weight is not difficult for most folks (if they had a bit of self discipline). As long as we give them excuses, they will fail to maintain a healthy weight. I feel sorry for the morbidly obese (because they are really fat)...but am also disgusted and repulsed that they are as well.
while not ALL fat people fall into the 'lazy about health' category I would suspect the vast majority do. Agree with fint on this.
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Ask your doctor daughter about pituitary tumors and how they affect the human body. You being a former scientist should know. Haha. You are such a blowhard.
Aren't you the emotional one? Imagine being schooled on science by a truck driver...almost as cute as the fellow who cannot fathom basic spelling and grammar schooling me on basic economics in another thread. If you want to dump on each other's professions and education...I am down with doing so.

Why would I ask her? I am familiar with pituitary tumors and most cancers. They are generally treated with surgery and/or radiation like most cancers. Ii am not sure what that has to do with the topic unless your new claim is that most obese folks have untreated pututitary tumors. If that is the case, what do you attribute the exponential increase in cases with your generation...and why are other countries less affected?

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