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Where do YOU draw the line on the types of arms we can bear?

Obviously, for much of the left the line is drawn at no firearms at all.

Where would you draw the line?
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That would be a little over the top:
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Are we drawing the line for ourselves, or what we want to restrict others from using? Quite frankly, I assume that legal restrictions do not really apply to criminals.

I guess the question is really, what arms do authorities need to prevent you from bearing in order to protect society?
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That would be a little over the top:...
But no background check if you get it at a gun show...

Maybe this is over the "Spirit of the Amendment"

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I don't honestly believe the type guns we have access to is the problem. Each time something like this happens, people look at the weapon more than the why. In cases like this or in cases of suicide, there are signs. Most of the time you hear "I had no idea". But in reality, there were signs, signs that were simply missed or ignored as "just a joke" or "they didn't really mean it"
While it would have been more difficult, the guy in LV could have just as easily set off explosives. Maybe he doesn't kill as many but he still kills people. We need to do a better job of educating people to identify possible signs both in identifying people who might mass killings and those in danger of committing suicide.
I'm sure there are many here that will disagree with me but I think any device designed to make a weapon rapid fire rounds should be illegal. The devices serve no purpose other than to spread lead quickly and there are very few reasons why someone would need to rapid fire short of causing as much damage as quickly as possible.
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Quite frankly, I assume that legal restrictions do not really apply to criminals.
They never will, but I see no reason to make it easier for someone to have access to weapons that can carry 30 or more rounds or fire at a near automatic rate.
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Let us draw the line at outlawing Beer drinking....drunk driving kills lots of people....

CONGRESS PASS A LAW OUTLAWING BEER DRINKING AS A MENACE TO SOCIETY>>>not only drunk driving but the health cost of Alcoholism...
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I don't honestly believe the type guns we have access to is the problem.
I didn't say guns, I said arms.

I assume you're okay with me owning a semi-automatic rifle.

How about a SAW?

Where do you stand on Rocket Propelled Grenades?

A surplus Mule with 106mm recoilless rifle would actually be pretty cool, in a throwback kinda way.

A home-built flamethrower, perhaps?

I have plenty of room for an M1 Abrams. You good with that?

As I asked, where do YOU draw the line?

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Let us draw the line at outlawing Beer drinking....drunk driving kills lots of people....

CONGRESS PASS A LAW OUTLAWING BEER DRINKING AS A MENACE TO SOCIETY>>>not only drunk driving but the health cost of Alcoholism...
You can drink beer. As much as you want actually. You just can't drink an amount that could cause you to inflict harm on yourself or others while operating a vehicle.

You ain't that bright if you think it is that simple.
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I draw it at the limits of ones own desire and finances. Yes, really. I believe the citizens should have access to everything the police and military have. This is completely the intent of the 2A. The people should be armed to protect themselves and - when necessary - be able to band together to fend off the march of tyranny or a foreign invasion.

With a well-armed populace / militia capable of defending the homeland against most possible forms of foreign attack / invasion, we need to spend far less on police, military, etc. Naturally the police unions and the military-industrial complex don't like this, however it was the precise intent of the founding fathers - NOT to have multi-billion-dollar industries propped up by insane tax rates. Does that mean there will be occasional nutcases that do great harm? Of course. But in the real world (where I live) there will always be nutcases that do great harm. They might use arms, they might use airplanes or trucks or fire or any number of terrible things.

As terrible as it is when terrible things happen at the hands of terrible people, I believe society is far safer and better off well armed than neutered and feckless.
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The Constitution is clear and unambiguous on this matter. That I suspect was by design. Those same architects also understood their imperfections and lack of crystal ball. That is why they also put in that very same document a means to change what is in it should the occasion, or change in circumstances call for it.

Is the fact arms has no line drawn in the Constitution eye brow raising? To many, sure, no doubt. But consider, there is a mechanism to redraw the line, per the Constitution. It's very clear how to do so.

There are people among us, even on this board who desire to redraw the line. They also know outright that they can't do it by the mechanism provided in the Constitution. Nevertheless they want it redrawn and are willing to consider other means. Those means sadly, circumvent the Constitution. Well, if that can be done, what good is the Constitution? Where does it stop?

To be clear, the line has been redrawn. Many times actually. However each and every time the Constitution has been circumvented. This is true with respect to both sides of the aisle so we can drop the politics Republicans and Democrats.
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Nothing with a patent after the date at which the 2nd was written.
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Whatever the well regulated militia needs to protect the country from those nasty Canadians just aching to invade us.

They are loyal to the king after all.

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I didn't say guns, I said arms.

I assume you're okay with me owning a semi-automatic rifle.

How about a SAW?

Where do you stand on Rocket Propelled Grenades?

A surplus Mule with 106mm recoilless rifle would actually be pretty cool, in a throwback kinda way.

A home-built flamethrower, perhaps?

I have plenty of room for an M1 Abrams. You good with that?

As I asked, where do YOU draw the line?

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There are already lines drawn as far as I know for most of the things you list which is why I went to guns.
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I didn't say guns, I said arms.

I assume you're okay with me owning a semi-automatic rifle.

How about a SAW?

Where do you stand on Rocket Propelled Grenades?

A surplus Mule with 106mm recoilless rifle would actually be pretty cool, in a throwback kinda way.

A home-built flamethrower, perhaps?

I have plenty of room for an M1 Abrams. You good with that?

As I asked, where do YOU draw the line?

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If I had all that armament, society would have absolutely no more to fear from me than it does right now. Why wouldn't you trust yourself with all that?
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I don't see how arms of any type factor into mans inhumanity to man.
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If I had all that armament, society would have absolutely no more to fear from me than it does right now. Why wouldn't you trust yourself with all that?
I do trust me. I don't trust the generic you.

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I do trust me. I don't trust the generic you.

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So your question is: what arms do you not want criminals/evildoers to have access to?

I think a better question is: will restrictions on the law-abiding in society achieve that goal?
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