viper green metallic paint formula

GMR911 · 10-20-2016, 05:01 PM

Does anyone have the paint formula for paint code 280-9-3.Thanks Jerry

bob deluke · bob deluke's Garage

Why are you asking Jerry?

Wellwood · 10-30-2016, 06:19 AM

I, too, would like to know.

I've researched the Viper Paint information and have run into dead ends.

From my understanding there are 3 Viper Green paint options, which is based on the information in this thread here on Pelican:

viper green 930

Also, a similar thread on rennlist:

Reference Guide to PTS in a MY2016 991 gt3 RS - Rennlist Discussion Forums

Based on the information in these threads, it appears that:

Non-Metalic Viper Green = 225 (which one can order from Paintscratch.com

Metallic versions include Bronze and Silver flake. Neither of which are recognized by on-line touch up paint sources.

Bronze = 249, which appears to have been superseded by 280 and now is 280-9-3 (?)

FWIW - I have visited one of the local Porsche dealers here in the Atlanta area and discussed this topic with no resolution as to the paint color code or availability. I have a planned visit to the Porsche NA Headquarters middle of November. I fully intend to further pursue this topic with their restoration staff.

GMR911 · 10-30-2016, 03:50 PM

Wellwood, does the tag on your car show 280-9-3. does your car still have the original paint. Can you tell if has gold or silver flake. My car, 1977 911, started out exactly the same color s the 930 turbo in that post. After 3 paint jobs over 40 years the color has changed every so slightly. I believe the original paint had silver flake and not gold as it has now? Thanks Jerry

Wellwood · 10-31-2016, 03:08 AM

Jerry

I'm in pursuit of the color information for a complete color change on a 968 Cabriolet (originally red - the most popular color for 968 Cabriolets).

962porsche · 05:13 AM

viper gruen has no gold metallic in porsches /( BASF) formulas .
i'm guessing you all are mixed up on the fact there are 8 color codes for viper gruen ?
some supersede older or codes not used for as long as say 96N
but tint for tint they are the same color so typing in 280 in my formula look up just comes up with a different color code number but it's the same color .
like viper gruen single stage solid color you will have 4 color codes for that one formula .
the reason why people think for some reason that they have a different code and there for it must be they have a different formula too .
NO it's not how it is . most of the time it has only to do with were the car was built . a car that was built at say Karmann would have a different color code for the same color formula .

colors have what are called VARIANTS .
the color code will be the same but because of things like atmospheric differences and so many other things effect a color they could be a shade different .
with the formula 3801 viper gruen solid color there are 5 variants for the code
with viper gruen met you have 3 variants
with viper gruen diamond met you get 2 variants ( a lighter and darker formula with the standard falling in the middle )
when a person goes out side of the BASF family and think that say PPG or other will have the same proper mix for a formula as BASF think again ! only BASF is the one porsche works with to give up to date formulas for there color codes .

Wellwood · 10-31-2016, 10:41 AM

This doesn't offer an explanation of the different color codes or the formulas used.

I think that the exact formula will differ slightly, depending on the paint mixer as the cross over Base pigments may be subject to minor variations in mix quantities.

962porsche · 11:13 AM

what don't you get there is only one formula for viper gruen met just different color codes used over the years .

GMR911 · 10-31-2016, 03:43 PM

Thank you, thats very interesting. The first and second time I had my car painted was with PPG- Viper green metalic. Gold flake and darker color than the original. The third time it was painted was with Dupont. That was also slightly different than the PPG. Gold flake also. Don't get me wrong, the color is fantastic and most people love the color. Its just not quite the same as the original. One big difference is the flake. The original probably was viper green diamond metalic with the lighter shade!

962porsche · 11-01-2016, 04:33 AM

i looked at the viper gruen basf color chips last evening and they are vastly different from viper gruen to viper gruen diamont .
even the two standard formulas for the viper gruen diamont are way different .
what it comes down to is the year of the car .
the 280 code is superseded to 264 what looks like the brighter cleaner of the two viper gruen diamont colors looking at the color chips .
it almost looks like a pearl color but there is no pearl tints in it .
the 264 has a 7 year color run over a wider range of models then the 280 color code used for two years and looks to be mostly on the 930's .

GMR911 · 11-01-2016, 04:46 PM

My car is a 77 911S. The window sticker says it was painted color to sample. The door jam tag says 280-9-3. Somewhere I read this color code was from a much later 911(water cooled era cars) ? I can honestly say my original color is the exact match as the link above from Wellwood viper green 930. My latest color is darker than that. Not that I am going to change as I have 3/4 of a gallon of left over $800/gallon paint!

962porsche · 11-01-2016, 05:16 PM

you can't tell anything from looking at a monitor .
what i'm looking at are color chips of the true formula .
code 280/264 viper diamont starts in 1976 (your car is a 1977 )
the paint to sample on the window sticker is meaningless just as they are on COA's .
only the tag on the door and or vin number are the ways to find the true color of the car.