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Question factory replacement bodies - Body-in-White?

question inspired by recent thread on 914World & old thread on 356 forum (links below)

in all my yrs of association with Porsche's (PCA since '76 when i got my second Porsche which i still have) there was always a rumor that a person with a pile of cash could send a pile of junk to Germany & Porsche would send it back whole & as-new - maybe in a couple years .... i think the collection of disparate knowledge bits in this 914 thread generally confirm that rumor

(my question is primarily about "older Porsche's" - not about USA cars that are "salvage-titled" after insurance settlements - a different, more recent scenario)

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whom among us has some definitive knowledge & explanation of the detail and extent of obtaining such replacement factory bodies?

What was the process?

In Germany - How did Porsche "certify" the refurbished car to the 'authorities" TUV after it had been "de-registered" as not-road worthy in its K-brief?

In other countries?
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I have no knowledge about Porsche practice but Ford and the British Leyland Group used to sell bodyshells on a routine basis.

We re-shelled a Mini Cooper S Rally car and a Ford Escort Twin Cam with new shells and simply transferred the chassis plates.

It is still possible to buy new bodies for classic Minis, MGB's and Austin Healey Sprites but I have no idea how to manage registration and type approval.

I can imagine it is more difficult now than in the Seventies but it must still be manageable.

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My understanding is that's how they used to do it, as suggested in the 914 thread. No idea what Porsche still has in their stash of spares but I guarantee if you are looking for one you better be a Jerry Seinfeld with 901 number 1 if you want them to even admit they still have one.

I sold my 67 912 last year and it was a pretty solid tub. It was taken apart weld by weld down the center tunnel, dash, and around the bulkhead, where all the vins and chassis numbers are. It was then welded around the same original center section and bulkhead of an early car of considerable value. I found out after the sale and asked about the legality of such a thing. They told me this is how Porsche did it when they had the parts and without that option restoring such a rusty car was correctly done this way. It was just sheet metal. The panels that define the chassis were left behind and all original ones were intact and transferred as a complete assembly.

Retubbing cars is common practice on the modern race cars. You wreck a car and you buy a body in white. They stamp the new body for you. You are supposed to destroy the original. That doesn't always happen. There's a 997 Cup in Florida with no gin. Who is to say that old 70 isn't built on a spare. Carl Thompson built a 917 completely from scratch with no vin from old Vasek parts.
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Exclamation body-in-white - excellent info

excellent confirming info

- this inquiry is reaching back into history where verbal statements & recollection of "them who were there" has to substitute for the perfect-documentation-with-pictures that we now have come to expect

there is another useful historical & supporting recollection here -
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My understanding is that's how they used to do it, as suggested in the 914 thread. No idea what Porsche still has in their stash of spares but I guarantee if you are looking for one you better be a Jerry Seinfeld with 901 number 1 if you want them to even admit they still have one.

I sold my 67 912 last year and it was a pretty solid tub. It was taken apart weld by weld down the center tunnel, dash, and around the bulkhead, where all the vins and chassis numbers are. It was then welded around the same original center section and bulkhead of an early car of considerable value. I found out after the sale and asked about the legality of such a thing. They told me this is how Porsche did it when they had the parts and without that option restoring such a rusty car was correctly done this way. It was just sheet metal. The panels that define the chassis were left behind and all original ones were intact and transferred as a complete assembly.

Retubbing cars is common practice on the modern race cars. You wreck a car and you buy a body in white. They stamp the new body for you. You are supposed to destroy the original. That doesn't always happen. There's a 997 Cup in Florida with no gin. Who is to say that old 70 isn't built on a spare. Carl Thompson built a 917 completely from scratch with no vin from old Vasek parts.
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