Any jacking pitfalls?
 

Okay, so first Porsche here and going to do my first oil change on it. Ordered my oil, and filter and crushrings,

So far everything on this car is just a bit different than any other car I have had. I am looking and reading about the oil change and trying to read between some of the different opinions.

Wondering on the jacking of the car for an oil change, looking like generally you lift it and get her up and level after a good warm up.

Are there any pointer when jacking these cars to make sure I don't create expensive regrets?

Also, I was thinking about a lift, saw the QJ here on PP and thought that was a neat solution. Anyone here invest in a lift for Porsche care duties?

You don't need to jack it to change the oil. Be prepared for an onslaught of oil when you drain the tank. I warned you. Don't over tighten the filter or the drain plugs.

Oh and make sure your container can take a large quantity of oil quickly. Be prepared.

I have never jacked my car up to change the oil. Mine is lowered to about Euro spec. maybe a bit lower and I can still get a pan under the engine plug and I use a cut 5 gallon bucket for the main tank. As for jacking the car up, I spent the money for the jack pad. Money well spent

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^^^^ That right there! First time I changed my oil I used my normal pan that only has about a 3/4 opening in the top. Suffice it to say that didn't go well.

Like this?
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Go slow. Be 100% Safe.

Many pitfalls. Use the torsion bars in the back. Use a rag on the jack to protect the bar.

Use the jack pad Pelican sells ( the extension piece that goes in your side jack point in the rocker panel)

I like to have a spare wheel under the middle of the car as an extra safety precaution. Once you have it jacked up, put one of the wheels under some low point. Better to crush the car / wheel than your body.

Get one of those 5 gallon home depot orange buckets. Just drain right into that. A plastic oil pan with a small hole will get overwhelmed and will overflow onto your garage floor.

There are many lift threads on here.

Yup I have the jackpad, PO included it with the car for me. I kinda like the idea of not having to lift the car for an oil change. Sound likes its a little tougher to get to things but still doable.

It's really not bad getting at things or at least I don't think it is. Compared to changing oil in my daughter's Ford Fusion I think the Porsche is easier (more expensive... but easier)

Make yourself some ramps with a couple 4x4s and a 2x8 on top. I have a set of 4 of these. I work on alot of cars and more than half the time dont need to jack them up. Its alot faster and safer for you and the car. They are still a bit low for working under the porsche but it even helps to use them when jacking the car up because you arnt lifting it at an angle or as high before getting the stands under it.

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All of this...really it a lot of oil. And the Jack pad does make life easier.

My solution to the oil collection question. I do NOT jack the car up and it has been lowered.

More ideas here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/574348-what-do-you-use-catch-your-oil.html

Here is a post on where to jack and support your car:

The absolute main advise I can give you is "Don't Over Fill It". I, like many others poured new oil in until it reached the full mark on the dipstick like on any other car. After several days of trying to figure out why the excessive smoke on start-up and doing some research there was the very messy job of trying to drain out a couple of quarts of that nice new oil.......usually all over the floor. From my experience, only pouring in about 8 quarts to start with, run the engine, then add until you hit the quart low line on the dipstick. This level, for me, works great. The oil tank holds lots of oil so you aren't going to run out.

It's tight under there but can be done without lifting. The rear of my car sits on roll around jacks all the time so I can push it against the wall out of the way most of the time. These can also give you a few inches for oil changes or clean-up.
Good luck!

I agree you don’t need to jack for an oil change.

As for lifts, do a search and you will find plenty of opinions. Four post lifts, scissor lifts, Max Jacks, Quick Jacks. I have a Quick Jack because I have very limited lift height in my garage and I like being able to easily move it and use it in the driveway.

Mark

If using a jack pad, keep an eye on it while lifting as they can slip out of the slot. Using a floor jack placed perpendicular to car seems to make it worse, especially if floor is not smooth (like brushed concrete). Having the jack placed more parallel to car helps combat this. Love the wood ramps. I see that project in my future!

Like many others say, no jacking required for an oil change but getting the back wheels up a little on
some wood gives some welcome room to loosen the drain plugs and have the pan in place. A deep pan for the oil tank may contain the splash but it comes out fast.

Harry-

Who makes this container you use?

Thanks

I bought one very similar to Harry's from a PepBoys, albeit it is black and red, not green and white.

Edit: Found it online at AutoZone. One thing I do remember now it I drilled out the drain port on the pan because it was a series of small holes. I used a stepped drill bit and made it one large hole. Works perfectly.

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You can use one of the large oil containers from wal mart- just make sure you use a hole saw to make the hole larger. You need as much oil to flow into the container as possible.

No need to get fancy... just get a plastic tub for dish washing. I put in 10.5 quarts when I change the oil and filter. May add another half quart after warmup to bring it to a mark halfway between the add/filled lines.

I bought it a very long time ago from a place that is no longer in business.

There are no markings showing the manufacturer name etc

Under the white cover of mine is an opening the size of the cover with a screen to catch the drain plug.

I use a $1 flexible cutting board to deflect the stream into a $2 bucket
Works perfectly. Just spread a towel underneath to catch any spill.

If you jack the car using the Pelican insert to the jacking port, don't max out the jack & place a jack stand under the torsion bar cover at the rear. At a big enough angle the torsion bar cover, with the weight of the car, can "squirt' the jack stand out of place allowing the car to fall and create much mayhem as the car will fall down on the displaced jack stand. There is a photo on this board somewhere where the jack stand gouges a hole in the body panel. Just beware.

I have done this numerous times with no bad outcomes.

I have noticed that at times as I SLOWLY lower the car onto the jack stands, they become angled. I merely raise the car back up and adjust the stand position appropriately and lower SLOWLY again. I repeat this until I have the car on the stand and the stand is firmly placed squarely on the floor.

Can you find the picture?

If you do lift the car use something to distribute the load over a wide area, you can use wood blocks, hockey pucks etc

I use these
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try not to lift on the pinch welds but if you do, use a slotted block

be extra careful of the oil line

I use 2 low profile pans a small one for the cc and a larger for the tank, I find that straddling a swale in front of the house is convenient as it provides a little more room under the cc.

A lift makes it really easy, but it's certainly not necessary
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13mm socket and a 6" extension for the tank plug

put a rag under the filter when you loosen it. I cut up an old plastic milk container does the same thing.

This! I made these last year, use them for all my cars when all I need to do oil, etc. Plus, since all of my cars are lowered, it can be a pain getting the jack under the damn cars. Roll up on these, presto, then use jack to your heart's consent. I also use what Bill posted which is a pinch weld adapter, that works awesome for the two other cars I have, in a pinch. Hardy, har, har. :)

My oil pan of choice for the 911 is a plastic concrete mixing tub I found at Home Depot. Low, cheap and very heavy polyethylene. Catches lots of oil in a hurry.

I jack '73911 with a floor jack with a 2x4 on it in the center of the transmission. Jack stand at the jack points for safety and drain.

I use the factory jackpad with the rear wheels on cribs. If you want a product vs. making out of wood, our host sells them:
https://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/TOOL/POR_TOOL_RCERMP_pg13.htm

Someone mentioned the thread about the car slipping off torsion bar covers, I believe this thread (post 6) has the pictures you were looking for:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/400142-lifting-car-sequence.html

Great thread...thanks!

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... believe Fumoto now sells this with a safety. Couple of different configs available.

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I've never needed ramps.

Rear. Jack using side adapter then jack stand on the torsion bar cover.
Front. Jack using jack point wheel well then jack stand on a-arm

Fumoto's are nice but you can just put a shop vac on the fill port to slow the output down. Personally I just get the oil to about 100F and use the plug to slow it.