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ChieftanMews 10-03-2018 05:55 AM

My 1980 911 SC project
 
Hey guys and gals,

My name is Dan and I live in The Netherlands. I just recently acquired this:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1538570909.jpg

Iíve always dreamed of owning a 911 and last week that dream came true. Well, partly anyway, because as you can see itís still missing a few bits. Iím here to gain some knowledge and insight as I am new to wrenching on cars and new to Porsches in general.

My BIL who lives down the street from me has a nice shop and restores Beetles and other aircooled VW cars, so I do have some good support around me to be able to take this on.

A bit about the car. Itís a 1980 911 SC originally delivered in Germany (where I bought it). Color code is 451 or Mocha Brown. Itís a bare shell including dashboard, steering column and wiring harness, but thatís pretty much it.

As you can see it was green for while and I am unsure of its complete history but hereís where we are now. As far as I can tell itís straight. The PO cleaned it up and itís pretty much rust-free, so thatís nice.

My goal for the car is to bring it back to its original color Mocha Brown (see front fenders). Iíd like to build it up as mostly stock or at least period correct for the model year. But I do have some thoughts on some subtle changes to make it mine, some that would be easily reversible if I or the next owner wants to bring it back to completely stock.

I like the outlaw look, but not over the top. Lower it a bit, all-black Fuchs wheels, maybe a ducktail. Flojo on here has a nice one that Iím digging the look of.

So I guess what Iím looking for is some advice on pretty much everything. I do not have an unlimited budget and would like to spend my money wisely, e.g. where it would make most sense to spend it.

Engine: Iím thinking about just finding a good 3.0, same as what originally would have come with it. If I can find a 3.2 for a really good price, I would consider it.

Transmission: I know a 915 was stock and that those had a few revisions along the way. Thoughts on that?

Suspension: I would like to lower it a bit from stock height. Whatís good here? Any input on CV joints or easy upgrades over stock?

Brakes: Same, need advice here. Stock or aftermarket?

Interior: Iím leaning towards a black interior. I do still want to find out what it came with from the factory.

Anything Iíve missed? Any advice in general? This car is basically a clean slate so lots of options here.

I appreciate any input and advice so thank you in advance!

Here are some more pictures.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1538570909.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1538570909.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1538570909.jpg

msort81 10-03-2018 06:18 AM

Dan
Great start.
I believe your instincts. Mocha Black is my favorite Porsche color, and really works on the body of an SC. Its chunky enough in the rear to wear the color perfectly.

Again your motor instinct is correct for what a you want a streetable / quick Euro 3.0 Find a complete Euro 3.0 retain the injection. Add 964 cam, MSD mate it to stock 915, add SSI and sport muffler. Stock 7&8 or 9x16 Fuchs with a good tire. The car will look stock, make really good power. You will be very happy for not much $.

Lots of good suspension packages Rebel or Elephant street II. Looking forward to the progress. Good luck

ChieftanMews 10-04-2018 03:46 AM

Thank you msort81!

Not sure if Iím ready to invest in cams and SSI but weíll see. Iíve got to sort the body and paint first. Will be stripping it down soon to get that process going.

Then once itís back from paint, suspension and axles Iím thinking.

Anyone have any suggestions on the order of work when building up from scratch? When the bodyís done, whatís next?

Dpmulvan 10-04-2018 01:07 PM

Too bad your in the Netherlands I have a 3.0 a 915 tranny, suspension et basically a whole 911 minus the shell. I'm going to be getting rid of it all soon but it's probably not cost effective to ship all that. Very ambitious build!!! Build it the way you want it.

75 911s 10-04-2018 01:14 PM

Welcome! The car looks cool just sitting there missing all its bits. Piece by piece, and you'll have it back together one day before you know as long as you keep at it.

ChieftanMews 10-04-2018 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dpmulvan (Post 10204963)
Too bad your in the Netherlands I have a 3.0 a 915 tranny, suspension et basically a whole 911 minus the shell. I'm going to be getting rid of it all soon but it's probably not cost effective to ship all that. Very ambitious build!!! Build it the way you want it.

Send me a PM with what youíve got and what youíre asking for it. Might be too early in the build for me but canít hurt?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 75 911s (Post 10204976)
Welcome! The car looks cool just sitting there missing all its bits. Piece by piece, and you'll have it back together one day before you know as long as you keep at it.

Thanks! I just finished reading your thread and love what youíve done to yours. I canít wait to get going! Very inspiring.

JacobS911 10-04-2018 02:22 PM

Congrats! This will be fun to watch while you bring her back to life. I'd focus on the body/paint.. and get that taken care of first then start buying up parts to bolt on. But of course if a good deal on suspension/engine/transmission/ext.. buy them up! Good luck! Also, I agree with getting a little outlaw/hotrod build :]

theiceman 10-04-2018 06:40 PM

This could turn out to be very very expensive. But definitely a once in a lifetime build.

dustim04 10-05-2018 12:57 AM

A nice project indeed. Good luck and keep us posted.

RDM 10-05-2018 06:59 AM

I have an '80 here in Germany, so if you need to put your eyes on any particular part let me know.

chrisbalich 10-05-2018 11:39 AM

as far as what to prioritize for reassembly, i'm of three minds.

first would be to complete the suspension/wheels/brakes so it can be on the ground and support itself without a cart.

the second would be to sort the driveline (engine, trans, fuel system, etc) and then add the rolling gear after.

the third option is to buy based on what deals you find. you've got a long road ahead and it will add up very quickly. try to make a list of all the major components (and minor components!) you need and then search for the best deals...constantly. jump on the best deals and try to keep your total budget minimized. you'll still get to the finish line, but you'll spend the least. it just may take some awkward steps along the way.

ChieftanMews 10-05-2018 01:12 PM

Thanks for the kind words everyone! It sure can turn out to be very expensive but Iím going to try and find deals as I go. Probably starting with suspension/brakes and keeping my eyes peeled for other smaller stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDM (Post 10205751)
I have an '80 here in Germany, so if you need to put your eyes on any particular part let me know.

Nice, thanks. Might take you up on that.

ChieftanMews 10-05-2018 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10206078)
as far as what to prioritize for reassembly, i'm of three minds.

Iím going to do a combination of options 1 and 3.

Major expenses I will have to spread out over 2/3 years, so engine/trans, paint, and suspension/wheels/brakes.

Paint Iím going to farm out and it will most likely happen quite soon (already in the process of stripping the car for this). The paint shop will also fix any metal work and rust and then paint it in its original Mocha Brown (451).

After that suspension/wheels/brakes. In the mean time Iíll keep my eyes open for engine/trans but because the biggest chunk of costs will go here I might have to wait until year 2/3 until I can afford a decent engine and trans.

boyt911sc 10-05-2018 01:42 PM

Porsche 911 restoration project........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChieftanMews (Post 10206176)
Thanks for the kind words everyone! It sure can turn out to be very expensive but Iím going to try and find deals as I go. Probably starting with suspension/brakes and keeping my eyes peeled for other smaller stuff.

Nice, thanks. Might take you up on that.




Chieftain,

Most of us before owning our first 911 had some what day dreamed of having one. There were so many stories about how people found and bought his/hers very first 911. I donít know your experience or background regarding Porsche restoration, but the way you are doing it is going to be very expensive and time consuming. If you think you are saving a lot of money by buying this empty roller, you were ill advised.

By the time you accumulated the needed parts to complete your project, you would be better off buying a complete non-running car. Unless you could source cheap parts in Europe which I doubt, you are in a very slippery slope to reach your final goal. Wish you the best.

Tony

ChieftanMews 10-05-2018 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 10206223)
Chieftain,

Most of us before owning our first 911 had some what day dreamed of having one. There were so many stories about how people found and bought his/hers very first 911. I donít know your experience or background regarding Porsche restoration, but the way you are doing it is going to be very expensive and time consuming. If you think you are saving a lot of money by buying this empty roller, you were ill advised.

By the time you accumulated the needed parts to complete your project, you would be better off buying a complete non-running car. Unless you could source cheap parts in Europe which I doubt, you are in a very slippery slope to reach your final goal. Wish you the best.

Tony

Thank you Tony. Iím absolutely aware this will not be the most cost-effective way of getting to own and drive a 911. Half of the joy for me is the way of getting there and in this case that is getting to restore and build my own car. Iíve long wanted to work on cars and the 911 being my absolute favourite, I couldnít let this pretty much empty shell go and picked it up.

Before this I had picked up a pretty much complete but not running 914 and had planned on restoring that first. But as soon as I saw this one I knew my heart wasnít truly in it and needed the 911. The 914 is up for sale now.

3rd_gear_Ted 10-05-2018 07:20 PM

4831 non US 1980 911 SC's were built. Slight bit less that year for US version.
915/62 as compared to the U.S. version being 915/63
Let me be the first to say, get a 3.6, you won't regret

RDM 10-06-2018 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted (Post 10206541)
4831 non US 1980 911 SC's were built. Slight bit less that year for US version.
915/62 as compared to the U.S. version being 915/63
Let me be the first to say, get a 3.6, you won't regret

No one ever regrets more horsepower.

ChieftanMews 10-06-2018 10:20 AM

I’m open to other engines/trans if a good deal presents itself, for sure.

ChieftanMews 10-09-2018 01:21 PM

Was able to put in a good couple of hours here and there over the past few weeks. Stripped the dash and frunk.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539121569.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539121569.jpg

Plan is to clean that all up, tie up the wire harness and spray a fresh coat of body schutz. Also might have to clean the black stuff off the bottom and inside the fenders before Iím able to send it off for metal work and paint.

Got a couple of new used parts in the mail today as well:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539121569.jpg

Also found this inside the right door. Anyone know what it is?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539121569.jpg

And found this wire coming out of the headliner. Iím thinking it for a handsfree mobile phone setup but want to be sure before I rip it out.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539121569.jpg

And this is the other end:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539121569.jpg

Thatís all for now!

mikedsilva 10-09-2018 02:26 PM

not sure, but I think that plate is a reinforcing for the mirror mount.

ChieftanMews 10-09-2018 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 10210584)
not sure, but I think that plate is a reinforcing for the mirror mount.

Thank you, that appears to be correct!

ChieftanMews 11-01-2018 02:24 AM

Finished stripping the car as much as possible over the past few weeks.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541063983.jpg

It was good enough to be taken to my body guy for body work and eventually paint, so off it went.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1541063983.jpg

In the mean time Iíve sourced most of the body panels and a few other bits and bobs. Those will be off to the body guy as well soon and then Iíll be starting to look for front and rear suspension parts. Looking to turn it into a roller by the time itís back from paint, hopefully in a few months time.

RSBob 11-02-2018 07:42 PM

Just tear the wire out of the headliner. Either mobile phone or radar detector and definitely non-stock.

Wonderful project. Please keep posting your progress. And congrats on your first Porsche.

ChieftanMews 11-03-2018 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSBob (Post 10237767)
Just tear the wire out of the headliner. Either mobile phone or radar detector and definitely non-stock.

Wonderful project. Please keep posting your progress. And congrats on your first Porsche.

Tore it out last week. Cheers!

nathanbs 11-03-2018 08:28 AM

Oops pretty sure wire by mirror is for temp sensor and goes to climate control box just behind ebrake. Love some of the advice on here

ChieftanMews 11-03-2018 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathanbs (Post 10238127)
Oops pretty sure wire by mirror is for temp sensor and goes to climate control box just behind ebrake. Love some of the advice on here

Looked up the schematic and appears you are correct :eek:
Looks like I need to buy some more parts...

nathanbs 11-03-2018 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChieftanMews (Post 10238166)
Looked up the schematic and appears you are correct :eek:
Looks like I need to buy some more parts...

Very hard to find the rosette. https://instagram.com/p/Bpth-egFahM/

ChieftanMews 11-03-2018 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathanbs (Post 10238203)
Very hard to find the rosette. https://instagram.com/p/Bpth-egFahM/

Donít have the actual sensor, only the holder thingy and the wire (which I might have thrown out).

nathanbs 11-03-2018 03:18 PM

It’s just annoying that someone very confidently states take it out it’s non-original, throw it away.

ChieftanMews 11-07-2018 06:03 AM

Anyone know where I might be able to find a complete new brake line kit for front and rear? Googled but nothing comes up for the SC models.

RDM 11-07-2018 10:39 AM

Are you talking about the flexible hoses
https://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/ksearch/pel_search_2016.cgi?command=show_part_page&make=PO R&model=795&section=brkhyd&page=4&bookmark=13&part _number=99-5522-101-M214

or the hard lines?
https://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/ksearch/pel_search_2016.cgi?command=show_part_page&make=PO R&model=795&section=brkhyd&page=5&bookmark=15&part _number=911-355-618-01-OEM

Or are you looking for a set that contains all of them?

ChieftanMews 11-07-2018 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDM (Post 10243051)
Or are you looking for a set that contains all of them?

Yeah hard lines, set that contains all of them.

Same for fuel lines, but I already found a guy on here that does them.

3rd_gear_Ted 11-07-2018 07:15 PM

To be considered:
993 mirrors look better than the flag type.
16 inch wheels don't have many tire options, 18 inch wheels have more tire options.
930 M/C & Carrera brake calipers front & rear with the thicker Carrera rotors too.
Steel braided brake lines instead of OEM rubber.
Carrera front sway bar for wrestling that future 3.2L around.

RDM 11-08-2018 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted (Post 10243789)
To be considered:
993 mirrors look better than the flag type.
16 inch wheels don't have many tire options, 18 inch wheels have more tire options.
930 M/C & Carrera brake calipers front & rear with the thicker Carrera rotors too.
Steel braided brake lines instead of OEM rubber.
Carrera front sway bar for wrestling that future 3.2L around.

Interesting perspective. I would do none of these, but my driving may be different from yours. I do mostly two-lanes and no track time.

ChieftanMews 11-08-2018 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted (Post 10243789)
To be considered:
993 mirrors look better than the flag type.
16 inch wheels don't have many tire options, 18 inch wheels have more tire options.
930 M/C & Carrera brake calipers front & rear with the thicker Carrera rotors too.
Steel braided brake lines instead of OEM rubber.
Carrera front sway bar for wrestling that future 3.2L around.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Iím going to stick with the stock mirrors and wheels, I actually think it looks better that way. But Iíll definitely be looking into some easy upgrades like better brakes as long as they are easy upgrades to do on my 1980.

ChieftanMews 11-12-2018 10:23 PM

I found a parts car from 78 but will probably have to cherry pick parts from it.

In you guys’ opinion, what are some of the parts I should be going after that are usually harder to find?

ChieftanMews 06-06-2019 12:17 AM

Some work was done to the body over the past few months.

Stripped from 3-5 layers of paint:

https://i.imgur.com/ij0fVf7.jpg

And done up in epoxy primer:

https://i.imgur.com/3RBiPyn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qCkdeX1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Wy0FcYE.jpg

Over the next few weeks some bodywork will be done to undo some not-so-well-done repairs and re-do them properly. Then hopefully some time this summer it'll get its original color back!

icarp 06-06-2019 04:54 AM

from what you have written I think you will love the build and finding the parts .
you get to make new friends and watch your baby grow .
It's tough to put a price on that .
I have projects as well
have fun

Tim Bradham 06-06-2019 05:16 AM

I've recently picked up a '77, pretty much about what you got, a shell... I'll be watching your build up for sure! Tim

ChieftanMews 06-07-2019 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Bradham (Post 10482187)
I've recently picked up a '77, pretty much about what you got, a shell... I'll be watching your build up for sure! Tim

Looking forward to seeing yours too! SmileWavy


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