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Shaun @ Tru6 04-23-2019 05:07 PM

An indicator that 911 ownership isn't for you
 
Of course the ball joint socket was the last area I started to media blast. I just don't understand what some people do to these cars.

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da Vinci Dan 04-23-2019 05:12 PM

Looks like someone was trying to replace that ball joint with a flat head screwdriver. That’s a frustrating day at work.

Koizumi 04-23-2019 05:24 PM

Geez, that’s not cool

ChrisHoover 04-23-2019 05:51 PM

The PO of my car used wood screws in many places. I don't get it, certainly in LA where the car is from, there are well stocked hardware stores.

I’ve been in the trades my whole life, I’ve seen the behavior over and over. Some people have no pride or sense of craftsmanship. It is not that hard to scribe baseboard for instance. I’ve seen many iterations of cruddy dry wall, paint, cocked electrical devices, poorly supported cabling, and mis- installed expensive door hardware. Designers suck too. A well known company has an office with a seismic brace blocking a corridor. The structural engineer was right in putting a steel member where she placed it. The interior architect had her head firmly lodged in her posterior.

Sebscst 04-23-2019 06:19 PM

Air chisel to remove ball joint nut. Might be one of my old a arms.:D

Rawknees'Turbo 04-23-2019 06:31 PM

Shaun, just fill the chisel divets in wiff some JB Weld, bro! :D

drcoastline 04-24-2019 05:14 AM

I think that is more common than one might think. Improper use or the wrong tool is all to common, not only in auto repair but in most things.

piscator 04-24-2019 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by drcoastline (Post 10437348)
I think that is more common than one might think. Improper use or the wrong tool is all to common, not only in auto repair but in most things.

Although I don't think I've banged anything up quite that badly, I'd love to say I never did anything similar. Mostly when I was young and didn't have or couldn't afford the proper tool.

Matt Monson 04-24-2019 06:00 AM

None of us was born with a golden wrench in our hands. A shop who posts their customer's mistakes and publicly mocks them probably isn't for me.

Shaun @ Tru6 04-24-2019 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10437383)
None of us was born with a golden wrench in our hands. A shop who posts their customer's mistakes and publicly mocks them probably isn't for me.

I'm not sure how you came up with that Matt or why you would think so little of me. I'm putting Rebel Racing bushings on my M491. These arms are from a parts car I got maybe 10 years ago. I thought it better to remove all of my original parts, tuck them away and put on restored, modified parts all in a take-off-and-put-on 1 day event.

DWBOX2000 04-24-2019 06:29 AM

My indicator was I ran out of money.
Get that M491 done. Been a while since I drove in an air cooled. Looking forward to it.

Shaun @ Tru6 04-24-2019 06:36 AM

Headers going on this week, also have to do triangle of death gaskets and throw-out bearing so engine/trans should be in this weekend. Suspension following weekend.

Rodney Nelson 04-24-2019 06:37 AM

Seems to me you found bad quality coming in and there was no way you were going to have bad quality going out to one of your customers. I would trust you, 100%. Not to mention all of your helpful posts.

Matt Monson 04-24-2019 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10437387)
I'm not sure how you came up with that Matt or why you would think so little of me. I'm putting Rebel Racing bushings on my M491. These arms are from a parts car I got maybe 10 years ago. I thought it better to remove all of my original parts, tuck them away and put on restored, modified parts all in a take-off-and-put-on 1 day event.

I only know what you said, and nothing more. You made no previous mention that it was your own car and the work of a previous owner. It’s not that I think poorly of you, but you are a shop now and you frequently post customer jobs. I’m just going on what you presented. I’m glad you cleared that up because obviously I don’t look kindly on a shop who would mock a customer’s ignorance instead of making it a teachable moment. Thanks for clarifying.

Jonny042 04-24-2019 07:09 AM

I don't even understand why those marks would be there? Ball joint retainer goes on the bottom of the arm, why on earth?

john walker's workshop 04-24-2019 07:47 AM

People use an air hammer bit there to try to get the ball joint pin out of the strut, when you could just take the bottom retaining ring off the ball joint and deal with it once off the car.

wrxnofx 04-24-2019 09:27 AM

My guess is that that is from a pickle fork that was used to separate the strut from the ball joint. Some of us don't have lifts or air tools.

GaryR 04-24-2019 09:41 AM

Nothing a quick grind and 5 minutes of MIG work won't make like new Shaun, i've seen worse... and I bought a race car built by a well known shop in CA that had wood screws holding the throttle pedal down and the seat mounts so twisted it moved an inch when the bolts came out, no one is immune to shoddy work.

Jonny042 04-25-2019 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wrxnofx (Post 10437637)
My guess is that that is from a pickle fork that was used to separate the strut from the ball joint. Some of us don't have lifts or air tools.

I own an a fair selection of air tools but they rarely get used for mechanical work. IMO they tend to do more harm than good!!!

Rawknees'Turbo 04-25-2019 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 10438434)
I own an a fair selection of air tools but they rarely get used for mechanical work. IMO they tend to do more harm than good!!!

That's down to operator error, bub. :)

yelcab1 04-25-2019 11:42 AM

I have been watching a bunch of you tube video from a mechanic who lives and works in the upstate region of New York. You know, the place where they have real winter with real salt. Everyone of his job that has anything to do with the bottom of the car has to be dealt with one of these:

1. Oxy torch
2. Big Nasty, otherwise known as a Mac air hammer tool
3. Huge ass puller
4. Sledge hammer, none of the 2 lbs kind. I have never seen him use a 16 ouch hammer
5. Grinder, cutter, and in some cases, welder to repair the cut

Sometimes, even professional just don't have a choice. I am so glad I live where there is nice weather.

Rawknees'Turbo 04-25-2019 11:53 AM

^^^

The pro mechanics that I know ( many in automotive, motorcycle, and aircraft), use air tools whenever possible (regardless of the condition of components and fasteners); really helps with work speed, and also lessening wear and tear on the ol' arms, hands, shoulders, etc.

RWebb 04-25-2019 02:37 PM

I don't see any air tools here...


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wrxnofx 04-25-2019 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yelcab1 (Post 10438795)
I have been watching a bunch of you tube video from a mechanic who lives and works in the upstate region of New York. You know, the place where they have real winter with real salt. Everyone of his job that has anything to do with the bottom of the car has to be dealt with one of these:

1. Oxy torch
2. Big Nasty, otherwise known as a Mac air hammer tool
3. Huge ass puller
4. Sledge hammer, none of the 2 lbs kind. I have never seen him use a 16 ouch hammer
5. Grinder, cutter, and in some cases, welder to repair the cut

Sometimes, even professional just don't have a choice. I am so glad I live where there is nice weather.

YES! Eric ad South Main Auto! That guy is seriously amazing. I have learned so much from him and use a lot of his methods. For example, removing and installing the rear wheel bearings in my '87 was a piece of cake with the kit I got and his method of using an impact wrench. Another great was using a two jaw puller to remove the inner bearing race form the hub. He used a large locking pliers to hold inward pressure on the jaws and then zip zip with an impact wrench.

One, two, barbecue!

DanielDudley 04-25-2019 03:32 PM

Looking forward to the after picture.

Shaun @ Tru6 04-25-2019 05:19 PM

No after picture to come any time soon, I just grabbed another arm off the shelf.

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Superman 04-25-2019 07:47 PM

The last time I used an air chisel to remove a ball joint nut (recently) the A-arm felt no pain.

onboost 04-25-2019 09:14 PM

I agree with Shaun.. there are some people that shouldn't touch these cars.. and I have been amazed at some of the sh*** I've seen. Just makes you holler WTF?

Sad part is its not not always the owners, its sometimes the so called mechanics, or that guy you know that "knows how to fix cars."

Below is an example of a 911 that found its way to me with "some electrical problems." Really? :eek:


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bkreigsr 04-26-2019 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by onboost (Post 10439368)

..wait a minute .... I did this to my '85 track car to get the brake pad warning light off in the dash display.

yelcab1 04-26-2019 06:25 AM

At least he left the connector in place. What's your beef ?

Matt Monson 04-26-2019 07:09 AM

Air tools are all chisels and uga uga guns. I would likely have carpel tunnel if it weren’t for this handy little air rachet.

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Shaun @ Tru6 04-28-2019 02:12 PM

I may have a suspension back on the car soon. Always do two coats of Cerakote, one for a foundation and the second for both glamour and toughness, so need to get that done this week for fun next weekend.

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ADDvanced 04-29-2019 08:32 AM

Cerakote is rad. I did the top end of my 20v I5 build with it, it's holding up pretty nice


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