69 2.0.. Is it a worthy platform?

[johncj8989]

I have an oppurtunity to pick up a 2.0 engine from a 69T real cheap in pretty good running condition for my project car. Being the novice that I am could you all please let me know if this engine provides any kind of decent platform for performance upgrading for example displacement increases....yada yada yada. Thanks alot too whom ever responds. I'm slowly learning about these cars because of you guyzz. Thanks.... John

[rvanderpyl]

Not unless you have a specific requirement for a 2.0 liter, IE vintage racing.

Otherwise you are probably better off getting a 2.7 which can also be picked up cheap. To get much more HP out of a 2.0 T you would need to replace the pistons, cams and heads to build an S replica, to go past that in HP you would end up replacing the cylinders as well to get more displacement (up to 2.5 with 2.7 P/C) and then replacing the crank to end up with a 2.7 liter.

Porsche got 160hp in the 2.0 S with Webers, 170 with MFI, 180hp from the 2.2S, 190 from the 2.4S and 210 from the 2.7RS.

[Tim Walsh]

the 69T crankshaft is also not counterweighted. It's supposedly great for racers who spin them like crazy and tear their engine down often, but not great for people who want a long lasting street engine.

I wonder about this as well as I have a 69T longblock in my garage.

[69 911s]

However, the mg block is a real weight saving plus in the right place of the 911. Great performance enhancement.

[HarryD]

Also, the case is not the very desirable 7R so there will be metal fatigue issues to be addressed.

[Tim Walsh]

harry with the 69T engine only making 110 hp, the lowest of any 911 engine would there be metal fatige? I doubt that case would be stressed if the same case was used on the s,l and E engines all of which made more HP than the T. Just my speculation.

[HarryD]

Originally posted by l33t9eek
harry with the 69T engine only making 110 hp, the lowest of any 911 engine would there be metal fatige? I doubt that case would be stressed if the same case was used on the s,l and E engines all of which made more HP than the T. Just my speculation.

Quite true but if you do mods to increase hp, you will start adding meaningful stress. You may want to contact a few reputable engine builders to get their take on the subject.

[Tim Walsh]

true true. I would like to make my 69T into a 2.5 Short stroke but I think the case just can't handle it.

[barlowdo]

How cheap is cheap ?

How close is the 911 to being road worthy ?

If the 912E is already on the road it may be more prudent to wait until a good 2.7 or 3.0 is available as other people have mentioned.

Otherwise buy the 2.0 run it in the car and resell at a later date.

It could prove to be a good learning 911 engine until you get a larger displacement engine.

Why is the old engine missing ? Did it blow and spew metal filing throughout the oil tank system ? Are all the hoses there? Does the oil tank leak ?

Also using the 2.0 as a starter engine you may find pieces that are missing for bolt in that you will need for both engines.

Someone else can speak on clutch/transmission compatibility.

I myself found there was some learning curve going from 912 to 911. And I would rather learn on a cheap engine than a good 2.7 or 3.0. My first learning curve was pesky oil leaks. Second could be ringing out 911 ignition wiring and electronics.

Inexpensive is good Cheap is bad. Hopefully this is a good cheap engine.

Just some thoughts as cost could be your biggest decision to make.

-Don

[69 911s]

might be worth a chat with the guys at CE, porshce got a lot of hp from those blocks and reliability(tricks) has only improved since then.

[johncj8989]

Barlow....... cheap as in $750.00 in decent running condition but a little tired. The 912e is definately a project to play with as well as to use as a tool to learn these cars inside out. Resale value is of no concen to me with this car. What I really am looking for is a 2.4 MFI motor. I know from reading previous posts that it is a much better starting point with alot more possibilities. I have my eye on a 2.4t MFI waitin to see if the price is right, if not the 69 2.0 may be my choice.

[Bobboloo]

It's only cheap as a disposable motor. As far as building up you couldn't pick a more expensive motor. Casesavers, oil bypass mod , piston squirters ,larger valve heads, porting, yadaydayda. When it's all said and done you've spent a fortune trying to make it powerful. A 2.7 or 3.0 would be much cheaper.

[johncj8989]