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what about the surface of the banjo? |
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Ok. then -other than using a sealant- I'm clueless as you are.
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Proper torque?
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Can you screw the banjo bolt in a couple threads then measure with a caliper the distance between the head of the bolt and the sealing surface on the caliper in a few areas? I have a feeling the head of the bolt is off square from the sealing surface on the caliper. Its the only explanation that makes sense at this point aside from some small crack or defect in the sealing surface itself that cannot be seen with the naked eye.
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Is that bolt bottoming out before it's screwed on all the way? Maybe the material you shaved off was just enough to disallow the faces to meet. Put the thing on without a washer and see if it tightens up to rule out the bolt bottoming out. May also be able to see how the surfaces are mating with the washer out of the way.
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You sure you don’t just have a hairline crack in the banjo fitting or bolt? These things just aren’t that hard to seal... did you over tighten/pancake the banjo fitting? You could also try composite washers that aren’t copper, they smush way more, though I don’t know their life span or if that’s safe...
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Unless the micro crack extends beyond the washer, doubtful you wouldn't see it with all the work you have done in that area. Crush washers are designed to compensate for surface irregularities as well as sealing. My bet is during the "rework" the mating surface became less than perpendicular. If your washers aren't soft enough they cannot deform and take up the irregularities. Another option is aluminum washers to determine if it is a washer problem. Also it may be seen as obvious, when you are quenching the copper washer, are you heating to a dull red heat, then quenching in cold water? If not the hardening of the material is not normalized. |
Heat it until it is glowing ****** hot then quench or simply let it cool. Doesn't matter. Now drop it on the floor and listen, if it has a metallic "ring" sound then you didn't do it right. If it hits the floor with a dull tap then its good. If there is some sort of surface anomaly larger than what the annealed copper washer can't seal then you need to seek professional help. PMB was mentioned above.
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Ok update. I tried the permatex sealant. By the way, $30 for a tiny bottle, ouch! Even left it for a few days to make sure sealant was properly cured before connecting the input line with fluid. While I had high hopes, let’s just say it failed immediately. Worthless in this application. That is a thread sealant and on flat surfaces it’s useless.
So finally went to the last option, which was to connect the banjo to the port on the outer half of the caliper. Then I replaced the incoming line with a custom made one which could reach the outside. It’s an ugly solution, but so far it’s working. It basically moved the banjo mating surface to a new unblemished one. So it proves that the caliper surface was messed up. It’s unbelievable that after all the sanding and insuring the surface was flat and perpendicular to the port (that was the whole purpose of the special tool I created) it still wasn’t good enough. The surface was mirror smooth, and I took great care to ensure that I was always grinding perpendicular to the axis of the port. Something was still not right and still cannot believe it. And, no I wasn’t bottoming the banjo bolt. I tried so many washers, thicker thinner, etc. my understanding is copper is the softest metal not aluminum. What would be a softer metal washer than copper? Anyway, at this stage I’m happy to just have a working solution. I don’t want to touch it at this point. At some point I’m thinking I might get rid of the banjo altogether by getting a T-junction and splitting the input line in two before the caliper, then I can bring a flared line to each half separately. It will be a little cleaner. Anyway, I don’t have a picture of my current solution, but first time I take the wheel off again I’ll take one in case you can’t picture what I’ve done. |
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I'm really sorry that my suggestion didn't work out (surprised, too), and cost you $30 and some wasted time - apologies. |
Did you anneal your copper washers?
Pure aluminum is between 2.5-3.0 on the Mohs scale, pure copper is 3.0. |
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If you drop them on the floor they should land with a thud and almost not bounce. Any "ping" sound and bouncing means they are too hard. |
We've already covered this and no, either quenching with water or letting them cool to ambient temp without water won't affect the hardness of copper like it will with ferrous metals. Just get it glowing hot then cool it however you please.
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