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al lkosmal 04-03-2020 01:28 PM

75S engine rebuild
 
I'm rebuilding a 75S, 2.7 engine.........This is a stock rebuild (it happens). This will be the full meal deal......Thursdays progress......

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regards,
al

al lkosmal 04-06-2020 05:11 PM

the seamy underbelly
 
wow...this one is a mess.....lots of leaks with JB weld used as a seam sealer.....original smog pump manifold and injectors.....this should be a total beeyatch to get apart...however, due to the oil, the exhaust came off without a struggle....this one is definitely due for a rebuild.....behold

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regards,
al

fanaudical 04-06-2020 05:56 PM

Is this one staying CIS? Or are you working some induction magic on this one too? :)

al lkosmal 04-06-2020 06:01 PM

No, unfortunately no EFI magic on this one....a stock rebuild....and it needs it.......but I have two other engines underway....a 2.7RS-ish and a 3.2....those two will have to satisfy my EFI obsession.....

al lkosmal 04-10-2020 06:52 PM

messy
 
Wow....this is a messy one.....however, the oil inside the engine is very clean.....I think that this one leaked so much, it got a constant supply of fresh oil...rockers and cams look great. One head nut was off and the rest of them were so loose, I could just about loosen them with my finger tips....I thought that maybe it was the result of the head-studs pulling a bit.... and it might be....but all cam housing and the case perimeter nuts were also very loose....in fact....almost every fastener, with the exception of the cam nuts and rocker nuts...were not tightened near to spec........it has made taken this one apart pretty easy, to date...although there is one nut, covered with JB weld that might be on pretty tight...... behold the filthy beast....



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gomezoneill 04-11-2020 07:00 AM

I like the orange silicone on the intakes.

al lkosmal 04-11-2020 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomezoneill (Post 10820064)
I like the orange silicone on the intakes.

oh yes....lots of nice sealing attempts on this one....silicone, JB Weld,, copper sealant spray......all the good stuff.

mikedsilva 04-11-2020 02:02 PM

Al, do you do your own machine work? Will you be installing case savers etc, yourself?
Hoping you document what work is carried out on the case.

al lkosmal 04-11-2020 02:16 PM

Nope...heads out to Craig Garrett, case out to Ollie's

al lkosmal 04-11-2020 05:56 PM

innie
 
Crank looks good.....main bearings are slightly worn....overall, internals are not too shabby.....

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al lkosmal 04-17-2020 09:12 AM

head studs
 
As I was disassembling the engine, the head stud nuts were so loose, I could almost turn them by hand. It took almost no force at all to remove them.......and here is why.

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regards,
al

gomezoneill 04-17-2020 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al lkosmal (Post 10820755)
Crank looks good.....main bearings are slightly worn....overall, internals are not too shabby.....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1586652841.JPG
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Been working on these cars since 1971. The beauty of those internals still amazes me.

al lkosmal 05-14-2020 11:55 AM

tasty
 
Even the stock 2.7 CIS pistons and cylinders look tasty, right out of the box......

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regards,
al

gomezoneill 05-14-2020 01:33 PM

Is that a 5 cylinder engine?

brp914 05-14-2020 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al lkosmal (Post 10828205)
As I was disassembling the engine, the head stud nuts were so loose, I could almost turn them by hand. It took almost no force at all to remove them.......and here is why.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1587139790.JPG


regards,
al


Well, after 45 yrs, was the heli-coil/threaded insert/case saver/time cert head stud fix debate settled? Or is that like the dreaded dilivar / Supertec debate?

al lkosmal 05-14-2020 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomezoneill (Post 10865367)
Is that a 5 cylinder engine?

Yes, we're doing everything we can to reduce weight.........

al lkosmal 05-14-2020 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brp914 (Post 10865395)
Well, after 45 yrs, was the heli-coil/threaded insert/case saver/time cert head stud fix debate settled? Or is that like the dreaded dilivar / Supertec debate?

No, the debates continue...we'll need another 30-40 insert threads (no pun intended) to ensure that we gather every opinion out there. It would be interesting to hear what type of oil everyone recommends though...............


regards,
al

al lkosmal 05-14-2020 04:29 PM

shiny heads
 
The heads for the 75S are looking a lot better now that Craig Garrett (CGarr) has worked them over...........

if you need your heads rebuilt...he is the man.


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jimtweet 05-14-2020 05:05 PM

something to be said about stock Al, im in the process of a one off resto now on a rare 911, and really digging the whole restoration thing. Our of my norm, hot rodding, but its fun

Cornerlot 05-14-2020 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al lkosmal (Post 10865615)
The heads for the 75S are looking a lot better now that Craig Garrett (CGarr) has worked them over...........

if you need your heads rebuilt...he is the man.

Took my heads out to Craig Garrett last week, he's conveniently 1-1/2 hours away so I took the drive in person. He said about 2 weeks...

manbridge 74 05-14-2020 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al lkosmal (Post 10865615)
The heads for the 75S are looking a lot better now that Craig Garrett (CGarr) has worked them over...........

if you need your heads rebuilt...he is the man.


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The picture shows the valves sitting correctly in the seats. Too many heads get mis-cut during valve jobs leading to poor flow from recessed valve seats.

al lkosmal 05-30-2020 05:05 PM

clean machine
 
the 75 2.7S is cleaning up nicely. This is just a stock 2.7S CIS engine....but they need a little love too!
Cams are timed.....so it should be on the test stand, next week. I still need to test the injectors, refurb the engine shroud, wiring harness....test the CIS system, etc......but getting close to......fire.....

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regards,
al

al lkosmal 06-04-2020 06:09 PM

getting closer
 
Should have this on the test stand tomorrow/Monday.........looking a lot better now....

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regards,
al

al lkosmal 06-09-2020 07:34 PM

it's a runner
 
From this :

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to this.......

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It's a runner...still some tuning to do, checking the WUR etc...but plan to have it installed and back in the 75S tomorrow or so........even the stock ones are fun to build.

stay tuned
al

al lkosmal 06-17-2020 05:06 PM

all is good in my little world....
 
It all turned out right in the end. The stock 2.7S is installed back into the 75......starts, runs, stops....no drips on the floor.....a good day...........

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regards,
al

Walter_Middie 06-17-2020 05:51 PM

Nice work Al - I had Ollies do all my magnesium engine block inserts 12 years ago - and 60,000 miles later, no issues. Your engine work looks great. Glad it worked out well.

Larmo63 06-17-2020 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al lkosmal (Post 10865528)
No, the debates continue...we'll need another 30-40 insert threads (no pun intended) to ensure that we gather every opinion out there. It would be interesting to hear what type of oil everyone recommends though...............


regards,
al

Throw in a tire/wheel size debate for good measure.......?

al lkosmal 06-17-2020 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter_Middie (Post 10910156)
Nice work Al - I had Ollies do all my magnesium engine block inserts 12 years ago - and 60,000 miles later, no issues. Your engine work looks great. Glad it worked out well.


Rex,
good to hear from you.
Ollie's is definitely the place to go....I have a 2.2 to 2.5 engine rebuild in the works....my case has been at Ollie's for 2 months now and will likely be there for another month....really putting a crimp in the schedule.....

regards,
al


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