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CO is not to spec. Could not find a shop to do it, and don't want to drive this anywhere while it is exhibiting this random ignition cut & heating up in traffic. Looking around for info on the throttle switch. May dig into Bentley manual later to see if there is a testing procedure. |
Hi Mike.
You have two separate issues without taking into consideration the CO setting. Overheating.- Check you trombone cooler in the front fender? Is it hot after the engine is warm? Lean running could cause the overheating too. Intermittent shutting off. Most likely electrical. Again clean all connections, paying attention to the fuel pump relay and ground on the CDI box. I would send the CDI and ECU to Systems Consultating in La. for testing- if the stalling continues. Going over a bump could cause a loose connection. Look at #20 & 21 in this thread about throttle switch (s) operation. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/956477-cold-start-issue-my-newly-refreshed-cis.html Hang in there. PS- How about a picture |
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What's the history of the car and engine ? |
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1606078813.jpg Running a bit hot in town, according to the gauge. Trombone reading about 210F which seems high. Running a tiny bit cooler with the condensor and a/c pump removed from the engine bay (belt was already off compressor). I'm going to take a look at the electrical connections at the CDI, and the microswitch and report back. Quote:
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What are the component numbers ?
"3. WUR model number: 0438140" All WURs start with those, you need the 3 digits following which identifies the model in your engine. Fuel distributor has the component numbers on a plaque 0438100xxx. Post the model of the lambda controller under the passenger seat 0280800xxx. Hopefully you have a matching system. |
Sounds stupid but I saw an SC with the pop off valve installed backwards, at first glance I didn't notice but then it was like WHAT'S GOING ON!
Surely you've checked the airbox. |
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0438 100 077 on the fuel distributor. I'll grab the ECU number in a bit. |
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Bosch ID numbers......
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The FD is -077. The number for the WUR is to the right of 086 or to the left of 980. You could see the numbers from your picture but hard to read. Tony |
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1 checked my Spec Book (Dempesy) It simply says 19-25 degrees BTDC at 6000 rpm with vacuum lines disconnected then let the idle ignition timing fall where it falls with vacuum lines connected. (I believe I plugged my retard vacuum line.) So, check and see where your timing is at 5-6000 rpm? Let us know. |
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Today, I : -when pulled on throttle linkage slightly, i can hear an audible "click" from microswitch. -Cleaned microswitch spade connectors -checked the ecu connection and relay. (cleaned them before, theyre looking alright.) -Cleaned both ends of the ground strap for the CDI box. -Cleaned CDI Box connector (looked pretty good) -Cleaned main harness connector at the engine bay fuse box -Listened to my car idle nice and happy before its test drive Took the car out for a test drive around town and on off the highway. Still running warm in traffic. Trombone still around 200. Hoses in the rear wheel arch test around 175-160 ea. Cut out on me on the highway while cruising again. Still seems like ignition is getting dropped. |
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What coil are you running? Get a voltage meter that plugs into the cigarette lighter plug to monitor running voltage. Maybe their is a correlation of the shut downs. |
With advance Vacuum line connected to ignition distributor total should be around 30*. Right? We are checking that the advance is working on the distributor. At 250K who knows.
Just thinking out loud from far away. |
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Multiple failures at this mileage are no surprise - feel like Ive made progress though! |
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Quick clip of a startup after idling the car a few minutes. |
WUR identification numbers.......
Mike,
“481” is not the WUR ID # (0-438-140-481). That is probably the serial number. Take a picture and post it. The numbers should read like 0 438 140 xyz. XYZ would be the last digits. Tony |
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EDIT: Also mentioning I pulled the vac line off for the photo! Reads 090. Also including the number from my ECU, requested earlier http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1606111204.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1606111204.jpg |
CIS troubleshooting............
Mike,
If you want to find out the culprit of your cold idle problem, take a short video after sitting over night. Show how the engine does its warm up cycle for the first 3 mins. Attach the pressure gauge and monitor the control pressures versus time. Based from the information in post #1, the engine will experience a cold erratic idle specially at this time of the year when it is colder. Once the engine has warmed up, everything would be normal. And that’s what your video showed up. Thanks. Tony |
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This represents an improvement versus when the FV wasn't working. No more backfires into the intake. Its also 50-70* in SF pretty consistently. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iTiaU0FUVVE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
Unassisted warm up........
Mike,
The video of the warm up is of no value because you were helping the engine by pressing the gas pedal. What I like to see and watch is how the cold engine performs during its warm up stage. Repeat the test and put the car in neutral and hand brake on. Open the driver side window and reach for the ignition switch. Do not get inside the car. Start the motor and video the start up. I like to see the cold engine RPM for the initial 3 mins. unassisted. Meaning you stay out of the car and let the engine run unassisted. If you install a CIS pressure gauge during the test, you will have an idea how the cold control pressure transition to warm control pressure in a couple of mins. or less. If your engine will not idle without further assistance, you got a big problem. Thanks. Tony |
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