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john walker's workshop 12-18-2020 12:48 PM

Valve Guide drill bit source needed
 
I used to get them from Baum tools. Jerry Woods Had them for a while IIRC. Getting a batch made from a tooling outfit isn't cheap. Any idea who still stocks them?
Pilot end is 9mm to fit the guide bore.
Drill bit OD is 11.80mm/.464".
I'm down to my last one.

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1982911SCTarga 12-18-2020 05:14 PM

Could you make a few step drills using your metal lathe, a toolpost grinder (or even a Dremel mounted to the toolpost) and the correct-size drill bits (.464" O.D.)?

Nix

Missed Approach 12-18-2020 05:47 PM

Apologies John- not much data out there. Using the Wayback Machine, I was able to find the old listing from the Baum Tools online catalog for May of 2005. Below is the main image clip. The pop-out was not available, but it references Tool #87 as well. Hopefully, this helps in the search...

Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20050507123638/http://tools.baumtools.com/index.jsp?menu=por&newIndex=3&index=11&make=por&mo del=&part_number=&primary_section=&secondary_secti on=&tool_use=

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john walker's workshop 12-18-2020 06:00 PM

Baum said they didn't have them, but I'll try calling with the number 86B.

Charles Freeborn 12-18-2020 06:06 PM

Looks like a modified twist drill bit. A good machinist with a grinding attachment on a lathe and the proper sized collet could knock out a batch reasonably quickly. Mc Master will have the core bit.

Trackrash 12-18-2020 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1982911SCTarga (Post 11147815)
Could you make a few step drills using your metal lathe, a toolpost grinder (or even a Dremel mounted to the toolpost) and the correct-size drill bits (.464" O.D.)?

Nix

I have done this. Takes time, fiddling, and knowledgeable use of a lathe with a tool post grinder then finished with a drimel, but is do-able for a DIYer.

john walker's workshop 12-18-2020 08:37 PM

Don't have a tool post grinder. Rather buy several. Already priced getting some made and it's out of hand. Must be some out there for sale.

Jeff Alton 12-18-2020 09:04 PM

John,

I will poke around as we would buy a bunch as well.

otto_kretschmer 12-18-2020 09:07 PM

can you go to .492 OD?

https://www.cylinderheadsupply.com/dcmkwikway.html

item 7211 is sorta kinda close

all you're doing is drilling out the old guide and leaving a shoulder so you can pound it out?

otto_kretschmer 12-18-2020 09:23 PM

maybe another

https://www.mcmaster.com/29525A56/

I don't have the stem diameter so I looked at my BMW motorcycle book and the airheads use 8mm stems.

jlex 12-19-2020 04:59 AM

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fanaudical 12-19-2020 06:33 AM

John - I suspect there are many Seattle-area shops making custom machining / cutting tools for the local aerospace industry. I did a quick Google search and came up with this one:

Cutting Tool Control, Inc

Cutting Tool Control, Inc

Cutting Tool Control, Inc

I'm sure there are others. If you know somebody local in the machine-shop business, they may have a favorite tool grinding service they use.

ab1752 12-19-2020 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton (Post 11148009)
John,

I will poke around as we would buy a bunch as well.


Hey Jeff you may want to reach out to Modern Engineering on River Road, they may be able to help.

Cheers,

Andrew

john walker's workshop 12-19-2020 08:11 AM

Cutting tool control did the last batch, but new people in there now that are less than cooperative.
Swift tool wants $149 for one and $84 each for six. Gotta be a better deal.

john walker's workshop 12-19-2020 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otto_kretschmer (Post 11148013)
can you go to .492 OD?

https://www.cylinderheadsupply.com/dcmkwikway.html

item 7211 is sorta kinda close

all you're doing is drilling out the old guide and leaving a shoulder so you can pound it out?

If the OD is much larger, the remaining shell is thinner and I fear it could break from the driven part and remain in the bore. The size I have now works fine.

john walker's workshop 12-19-2020 04:09 PM

They were ready made and available several years ago, just for drilling out 911 guides, so there should be a source from the past that provided them.

Jeff Alton 12-19-2020 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ab1752 (Post 11148303)
Hey Jeff you may want to reach out to Modern Engineering on River Road, they may be able to help.

Cheers,

Andrew

Thanks!

Essexmetal 12-19-2020 05:02 PM

Since this has the same layout as a drill piloted counter bore, what stops you from sharpening the current ones you have?

The drill point is pretty standard and the counter bore portion can be sharpened on a tool grinder. Same operation as tip sharpening an endmill.

otto_kretschmer 12-19-2020 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john walker's workshop (Post 11148358)
If the OD is much larger, the remaining shell is thinner and I fear it could break from the driven part and remain in the bore. The size I have now works fine.

the one I found on McMaster Carr has a big ID of .469 and a small ID of .313 (8 mm) and they want $59

this should work and I doubt you will beat the price

john walker's workshop 12-19-2020 08:54 PM

But I need a 9mm pilot. 8mm works for a 993. I have those.


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