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jaycee1977 10-13-2021 04:39 AM

Crossmember battered but is it usable?
 
Been working on chassis straightening / bodywork for the last while and getting to the point of reinstalling/replacing/upgrading suspension.

Front crossmember has seen some rough times, is it usable in this condition?

Car was accident damaged / parts car so I've never driven it with this installed.

Thanks!

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Dpmulvan 10-13-2021 06:10 AM

Some will say no, some will say get it welded, and others will say replace.

75 911s 10-13-2021 07:10 AM

It's usable, but if I did, I'd probably grind out that crack area and weld a few areas up. That's if I was on an extreme budget and could do all the work myself. In the grand scheme of an expensive restoration, it's a tiny cost and a pretty important part. In that situation I would find a nice replacement.

David Inc. 10-13-2021 07:13 AM

If it were me I think I'd replace it. You've gone seriously out of round at one control arm support, and on the other you've knocked away a good bit of structure around where the member bolts to the body.

They're $600 new from Porsche (Pelican) and I'm sure good condition used ones are out there for less.

dannobee 10-13-2021 08:36 AM

You have two choices; use it as is, with all of its ugliness, or replace it.

Welding aluminum suspension components is not an option because the heat will ruin the temper. And some aluminum alloys like 7000 and 2000 series just aren't made to be welded.
If you do have it welded, it will crack right in the middle of the weld, as the untempered area is much weaker than the area outside of the heat affected zone.

john walker's workshop 10-13-2021 08:44 AM

Lay it on a flat surface and see if it's bent. Looks sketchy, I'd find another.

GH85Carrera 10-13-2021 10:37 AM

It is only a MAJOR component of the front suspension, steering and braking. What could possibly go wrong?

For me, I would replace it. I might look at aftermarket solutions, but a factory part is mot likely what I would look for.

jaycee1977 10-13-2021 11:42 AM

Thanks for all the replies folks, I'll find a replacement. JC

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Evan Fullerton 10-13-2021 02:08 PM

The earlier steel ones are substantially stronger and the weight difference is in a good spot. They do however also use a different protection pan.

jaycee1977 10-13-2021 05:11 PM

Thanks for the suggestion. Will take a look.

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Walt Fricke 10-13-2021 10:32 PM

If you are on the ragged edge of your budget, I'd check for straightness as John suggests. Even then you might be able to use it, as the rubber bushings on the stock bushing part have some compliance to the extent that the front and rear bushings don't have to be perfectly co-axial. But it would be yet another strike against it.

Most of the loads to which this part is subjected are carried by the two big, vertical bolts into the chassis. Or where the adjuster contacts the cross member - where that steel button is (your pictures don't show that area, so I suppose that part looks OK). If there was a sort of punch through crack like the one you circled in the load path for the adjuster, that would be more concerning.

I'd be willing to drive a car with that piece in it if what we see is all there is. Not sure I would put it in a car of mine, though.

My first 911 had the narrow side of the slot the adjuster goes through broken - hence alignment etc all messed up and alignment shop wouldn't work on it. Another shop riveted a replacement piece in place, and it worked fine ever after. But that just keeps the adjuster (and the T bar) from moving toward the rear of the car - don't know why the adjuster didn't fall off. Not quite the same as having a torsion bar bushing bust loose.

Shaun @ Tru6 10-14-2021 04:04 AM

In situations like this, among other factors one thing I consider is cost:

Cost of a new/used part

Cost if the part fails

Since a good used one is around $150, for me is a no-brainer to find another.

Along these same lines, if you put yours up for sale on Classifieds for $150, or even $100, would anyone buy it?

GH85Carrera 10-14-2021 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 11485134)
In situations like this, among other factors one thing I consider is cost:

Cost of a new/used part

Cost if the part fails

Since a good used one is around $150, for me is a no-brainer to find another.

Along these same lines, if you put yours up for sale on Classifieds for $150, or even $100, would anyone buy it?

Good point. Would anyone here buy that one and use it on their car if they needed to. I sure would not.

Matt Monson 10-14-2021 05:42 AM

My life is worth more than a couple hundred bucks. It’s not a trim piece. It’s a structural suspension mount.

Coblue 10-14-2021 06:51 AM

That's not a crossmember, that's a tool rack. For not-so-heavy tools. IFyanowhuduhmeen...

Shaun @ Tru6 10-14-2021 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11485218)
My life is worth more than a couple hundred bucks. It’s not a trim piece. It’s a structural suspension mount.

Good post Matt. And not only your life. Your passengers' lives and the people on the road right beside you.

jaycee1977 10-14-2021 12:17 PM

Thanks to everyone who replied, this forum makes my project possible.

A perfect condition used one is on its way to me. This one will never see another mile.

@Coblue - a tool rack is exactly what I decided to use it for [emoji106]

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proporsche 10-14-2021 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11485218)
My life is worth more than a couple hundred bucks. It’s not a trim piece. It’s a structural suspension mount.

^^^^yup this^^^^^

Ivan

Joe Bob 10-15-2021 06:00 AM

Put it up on your shelf of FUBAR parts. Buy another one.

If you live long enough you will have a couple of rows of that kinda stuff.

Coblue 10-15-2021 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaycee1977 (Post 11485794)
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@Coblue - a tool rack is exactly what I decided to use it for [emoji106]

Great minds ...

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