Help with VIN number (never seen one like this)

[Winter911]

So I just bought a 1972 911T Targa and the VIN number reads 911251xxxx

The number 5 is what is really throwing me off.
A VIN number decoder says that the engine type (number 5) is 911T/V. But it also says that they didn’t start using 911 T/V till 1973.

Also, what does the T/V mean?
My engine VIN is 6130097

Any help would be greatly appreciated

[H-viken]

The 3 in “613” indicates it’s an engine from 73

Could it be a very late 72 you have bought?

[GaryR]

Originally Posted by Winter911

So I just bought a 1972 911T Targa and the VIN number reads 911251xxxx

The number 5 is what is really throwing me off.
A VIN number decoder says that the engine type (number 5) is 911T/V. But it also says that they didn’t start using 911 T/V till 1973.

Also, what does the T/V mean?
My engine VIN is 6130097

Any help would be greatly appreciated

A COA will tell you if the engine is original to the car, it's either a late 72 (should be able to see that from the VIN) or a replacement motor.

[Winter911]

Originally Posted by GaryR

A COA will tell you if the engine is original to the car, it's either a late 72 (should be able to see that from the VIN) or a replacement motor.

Build number is 1409. Would this be considered a late build? The side door sticker with the build date is missing

[harvardma]

T/V means T Vergasser (carburetor). When I bought my car it had a 1972 T/V engine in it. As I understood it the T/V was a ROW model not sold in US

[Winter911]

Originally Posted by harvardma

T/V means T Vergasser (carburetor). When I bought my car it had a 1972 T/V engine in it. As I understood it the T/V was a ROW model not sold in US

That’s great info thanks.
Why doesn’t this show T/Vs in 1972? Only in ‘73

[73pcar]

What is the VIN decoder source you are using...what it is telling you makes no sense to all the resources I have. Engine prefix of 613 is from a MY 73 car as already mentioned. All U.S. 72 911 cars were mechanical fuel injected cars, and 73 was a transition year for the 73.5 911T which went from MFI to CIS injection. What does your car/engine have?

[dw1]

It was not uncommon for the Porsche factory to implement running changes late in the production year.

My '87 has the rear window brake light in a location usually associated with an '88. My transmission serial number also has an "LSD" designation that was used for most (but not all) 1987 cars with that option.

Porsche wasn't the only one to do this. I remember arguing with a parts guy about a '79 Mercury Capri that had the original engine but he said that engine only came in '80 and later cars.

It is also notable that the US model year did not always coincide with the Germany production year.

[Winter911]

Originally Posted by 73pcar

What is the VIN decoder source you are using...what it is telling you makes no sense to all the resources I have. Engine prefix of 613 is from a MY 73 car as already mentioned. All U.S. 72 911 cars were mechanical fuel injected cars, and 73 was a transition year for the 73.5 911T which went from MFI to CIS injection. What does your car/engine have?

That’s great info thanks.
Mine has the 2.4 MFI motor. Number is 6130097. Seems like an early build number so maybe it may be one of those rare cases they put a ‘73 motor in a ‘72?

[HarryD]

Something is very wrong. Pictures and other data you posted in other threads indicate that you do not have a 1972 911. If you did, your oil fill would look like an external gas fill on the right rear of your car. Your oil fill is in the engine room as shown in this picture.


Another thread talks of you having a 901 Transmission. That is one where first and reverse is in a single up/down plane. Porsche stopped putting 901’s in their 911’s after 1971.

Please post pictures of the following:
-The vehicle identification tag in the front of your trunk. It is a rectangular metal plate that is riveted in place
-At the other end of the frunk, on the left hand side as you face the car, there is a raised section with your VIN number
-On the driver side of your windshield, there is a VIN Tag
-On the driver side door there is an emission certification sticker with the date of manufacture and the VIN number
-On the motor, there is a boss with the engine serial number

[RNajarian]

Originally Posted by Winter911

Is that Vin decoder right/complete? My vin is 911521XXXX. The decoder above lists it as a 911E, whereas it is a 1975 Targa 911S. Also under section E it says the Vin starts with 11 rather than 911. Likely an omission. The decoder from Stuttcars.com (below) has more information.



https://www.stuttcars.com/technical/vin-decoder/

[Matt Monson]

No, it’s not right for 74-75.

[Winter911]

Originally Posted by HarryD

Something is very wrong. Pictures and other data you posted in other threads indicate that you do not have a 1972 911. If you did, your oil fill would look like an external gas fill on the right rear of your car. Your oil fill is in the engine room as shown in this picture.


Another thread talks of you having a 901 Transmission. That is one where first and reverse is in a single up/down plane. Porsche stopped putting 901’s in their 911’s after 1971.

Please post pictures of the following:
-The vehicle identification tag in the front of your trunk. It is a rectangular metal plate that is riveted in place
-At the other end of the frunk, on the left hand side as you face the car, there is a raised section with your VIN number
-On the driver side of your windshield, there is a VIN Tag
-On the driver side door there is an emission certification sticker with the date of manufacture and the VIN number
-On the motor, there is a boss with the engine serial number

Here you go:

[dannobee]

That VIN decoder is not accurate.

Your car is a 72 911, carbureted targa, right?

[Winter911]

Originally Posted by dannobee

That VIN decoder is not accurate.

Your car is a 72 911, carbureted targa, right?

Yes, but it has a 2.4 MFI motor in it

[GaryR]

Originally Posted by Winter911

Yes, but it has a 2.4 MFI motor in it

That explains the injector lines I saw in the "oil fill" pic, and the oil fill itself. Is there an oil fill door in your passenger side rear quarter panel? How is the oil tank mounted?

[Winter911]

Originally Posted by GaryR

That explains the injector lines I saw in the "oil fill" pic, and the oil fill itself. Is there an oil fill door in your passenger side rear quarter panel? How is the oil tank mounted?

Originally Posted by GaryR

That explains the injector lines I saw in the "oil fill" pic, and the oil fill itself. Is there an oil fill door in your passenger side rear quarter panel? How is the oil tank mounted?

It’s in the inside of the engine bay.
I think it might’ve been modified because there’s no door on my fenders.
They seem wider than stock

[GaryR]

Originally Posted by Winter911

It’s in the inside of the engine bay.
I think it might’ve been modified because there’s no door on my fenders.
They seem wider than stock

Likely SC flares, too bad, The oil door is the 72 "tell"..

[HarryD]

It looks like your car is a mashup of several models. A modified 1972 body, 1973 motor, and a 1971(?) transmission.

The State of Washington VIN sticker is not stock. The factory plate in the front of the trunk should look like this with the correct data.


How about some general pictures of the exterior of the car?

[Winter911]

Originally Posted by HarryD

It looks like your car is a mashup of several models. A modified 1972 body, 1973 motor, and a 1971(?) transmission.

The State of Washington VIN sticker is not stock. The factory plate in the front of the trunk should look like this with the correct data.


How about some general pictures of the exterior of the car?

It was removed and put in glovebox.

Hope this clears some confusion lol






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