Strange A-pillar chassis/paint code plate

Shaun @ Tru6 · 04-14-2007, 03:59 PM

Here's a pic of the chassis number/color code plate on my 69E.

there is no chassis number stamped in.

there are 2 paint codes stamped in, and they seem strange at that.

First in the silver rectangle:

67-81-9101-H

below that in the black outline:

77-94-0503

the front plate on the hood latch crossmember matches the number stamped into the body upper left (facing) of the gas tank matches the windshield pillar plate.

Any ideas on what's going on with these numbers?

Shaun @ Tru6 · 04-19-2007, 12:45 PM

anyone?

ttweed · ttweed's Garage

Shaun-

I have never seen anything like that on an early car, so it would be pure speculation at this point in time to guess what happened with that plate. Is there any way to tell if it is original, after all these years? My best guess would be that someone restamped a plate and installed it at some point over the last 38 years. I don't know of any cars leaving the factory without a chassis number stamped in the upper box, but who knows? Maybe too many beers at lunch one day?

TT

ossiblue · 04-20-2007, 10:44 AM

I agree with the unusual double stamping at the bottom of the door tag--never heard of that before. However, several cars I have seen--my own included--did not have a number stamped in the upper box. It too was a 69.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 04-20-2007, 11:40 AM

Thanks guys. Is there a decoder for the numbers? car definitely was delivered as silver, but want to add that it's a very dirty silver, so if silver were 1 and bronze were 10, this color would be a 3 or 4. Car is going to a Light Ivory/Aga Blue combo however.

Also, do you have the bottom plate too? ...conforms to all...

ossiblue · 04-20-2007, 05:56 PM

Shaun 84,

I've had two 69's, and neither had the lower plate which, I believe, is not rivited on. One of my cars did not have the VIN tag on the A pillar either, but the other one did. I think this is just another of those production idosyncrasies that keep the hunt for authentication interesting. I'd still like to find out about the double stamping--please keep us updated if you find out anything.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 06:30 AM

Sort of an update. You can't see it very well in the pic, but factory original paint seems to be a yellowish-greenish silver. Not gold, more brassy, but with a hint of green. I'm wondering now if this is a special order color. the secondary plate also reminds me of a ROW car brought to the States. I think I'm going to write to Porsche on this. Also re-look at the original records that came with the car which date back fairly far.

Here's another pic. BTW, what's the trick to get the decklid catch out of the crossmember

scarroll · 09-17-2007, 09:36 PM

I have a '69 912 with the same paint tag. The COA from Porsche says that the car was painted "silver metallic", and the cardex shows a paint code of "6851 SILV.MET". The 912 Registry indicates that silver metallic was a special order in '69, and lists two different codes, 6851 and 96024. I have no idea why, but the combination of numbers on your a-pillar was evidently used to represent that special order silver. Now, if you'd help me interpret the interior code from my cardex, which reads 9821, followed by (I think) A.11 AT.A.

ossiblue · 09-18-2007, 04:38 AM

Since your original post I remember someone mentioning a similar situation with a double stamping. If I remember correctly, it was a result of the original owner having the factory repaint the car in a different color after it had been manufactured but before he took delivery (not too sure about the before delivery part, but sure about the factory repaint).

Shaun @ Tru6 · 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ossiblue

Since your original post I remember someone mentioning a similar situation with a double stamping. If I remember correctly, it was a result of the original owner having the factory repaint the car in a different color after it had been manufactured but before he took delivery (not too sure about the before delivery part, but sure about the factory repaint).

Very interesting! the paint on my car seems very thin: factory coat and a real "waving of the gun" bad respray, though there could be another color. I haven't been able to look up the numbers yet myself.

the rear motormount outside crossmember is a sort of goldish, greenish silver metallic, but I'm attributing that to the heat from the muffler.

I'm not going down to bare metal, but do have some areas I need to patch, so will take the time to see if this car was repainted by the factory.

I hope (sort of) that it doesn't turn out some special color that I should respray in. I'm so looking forward to the light ivory/aga blue scheme I have planned.

lastly, anyone know how to get the decklid latch out? it's definitely not coming out in any way I've tried.

robmog · 09-20-2007, 01:18 PM

hey shaun,
i remove my latch last week.
i hope this isn't a
'duh moment" but it came out pretty easily once rotated 90 degrees.
mines a 72 maybe its different.
i think the red book has the paint codes. i'll look it up tonight.
bob

robmog · 09-20-2007, 05:22 PM

shaun,
those # don't match anything i can reference.
i've checked the red book and morgans book
metallic silver is 96024
the only thing that correlates is the "H" which is the paint maker HERBERTS.
your car was not painted with glasurit paint. that would be a "G"
bob

Shaun @ Tru6 · 09-20-2007, 05:54 PM

thanks Bob. I have tried every which way with the latch, but knowing you pulled it out 90 degrees helps.

I was afraid you were going to say that on the codes!

I would like to know what these numbers mean and if I ever get a free moment, may write to Porsche about it, or perhaps Excellence could help. Thing is that if, and I really mean if, these codes make this car out to be special in some way, I'd probably be more inclined to restore it as a perfect example rather than the racer motif I've been working on.

Thanks for looking Bob. Will have the cowl boxed up tomorrow for you.

vongo · 06-03-2014, 12:39 PM

Sorry to resurrect a seven year old thread, but I just came across a early 1969 911E with the exact same situation on the Kunstharzlack paint codes... except I've got

76-81-9101-H
and
77-94-0503

Any help would be appreciated. The car is for sale and I'm just trying to piece together information.

Thanks

djpateman · 05:40 PM

That is the paint code for silver in 1969. Can you post a photo of the badge, and provide me with the VIN please.
Not sure why one starts with 76 and the other with 67. Possibly they were confused by the complexity. I know of a few examples of each code variety.
Silver was always a tricky colour with many changes in codes. Often the code on the badge is different than that recorded on the COA, but they are equivalent.

djpateman · 06-03-2014, 05:59 PM

76-81 9101-H 77-94 0503 pu911
76-81-9101-H 77-94-0503 119111254
76-81-9101-H 77-94-0503 119200437 rhart Number ID. Help! 1969 911 E Door plate

vongo · 06-03-2014, 09:23 PM

Here are the numbers...

Not sure when it changed color to red but that's the color it is today.

Why wouldn't the factory update the color code on the car before sending it out to the customer?

djpateman · 06-05-2014, 04:54 PM

Thanks for the photos. That is the best photo of the badge yet.
I'm certain the car left the factory in silver. The change to red was probably years later.

HarryD · 06-05-2014, 07:39 PM

Could it be no more complicated that the guy who shot the new color stamped the tag so customer had the new color code and did not want to remove the original plate or color code?

djpateman · 06-06-2014, 05:56 AM

Harry,
I have quite a few examples of this coding in my database. So that means it was a factory stamped paint code. Only for 1969 though.