Critique This 72 RS Clone

[cegerer]

What do you think? Reserve is apparently around $25K ("less than half of $65K investment"). Seems a little short in the motor department. And is that a yellow & purple interior, or is my monitor wacked?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804518770

[island911]

Originally posted by cegerer
. . . And is that a yellow & purple interior, or is my monitor wacked?

Well YA! . . it's the only way to carry off the exterior colors.

note the tellow accent on the mirror bases.

[orbmedia]

I don't believe they kept the sugar scoop headlight trim on that.

Sacre-le-blaue!


cegerer,

Nice try on your profile pic; trying to be more "Le Mans" than me. You win buddy...for now. I have a little trick up my sleeve.

MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA

[Randy W]

Curt, I have driven this car and know the owner well. He is a local paint guy who has done great work for me and is an R Gruppe member. He is a perfectionist, and the preparation and paint on this car is flawless. I know the color combo is not to everyone's taste and I would not have chosen yellow for the interior, but it does look pretty cool. The 2.4T motor is not tired and with MFI and Bursch exhaust, it is very fun to drive. The transmission is the best shifting 915 I have driven. The overall attention to detail is the biggest selling point on this car - it is a really cute rust free car. If you consider all the labor he has into it, I think 25K is a reasonable price.

Randy Wells

P.S. The seats are actually black (not purple)!

[emcon5]

Wow. That is a truly remarkable car.

[tight as a bull's ass]

Very eccentric looking Porsche.....IMHO, the way it looks, I would think the value would go down.

Again it comes down to, if I take a stock 10K car and pump 25K into it, is the car now worth 35K or is it still worth 10K....

then again, someone could come along and find this rare, one of a kind p-car and wont hesitate at 25K.
Personally, i don't like it....looks too funny with all those vibrant colors.

Porsches are exotic enough in their own original nature, no need to accentuate with rainbow colors...that's too rice-like.

[Clark Griswald]

Quality of the finish might be great, but that doesn't make it tasteful.

The three color scheme needs to be paired back to two. Black/blue or black/yellow would be more than sufficient to make the car stand out. Even those two-color combinations with as many color splashes as this car has would test most definitions of tasteful.

If it were mine, everything that is yellow would become black - as would the mirrors.

[curtisaa]

For what it is...it's very cool. If Randy says the detail work is good, I would really take the mans advice. If you look closely at the "off" colors on Xterior, those can be changed at little cost. However, it does have Rgruppe all over it. Randy you get to have ALL the fun..................

[makaio]

I like it! If I win the $122,000,000.00 California State lottery tommorow night, it's mine! That way i'll have something to drive to Cambria!

[MMARSH]

Cool car, I like it. Although I would change the yellow. But I'm a little confused. How do you have $65,000 in what appears to be basically a 72T with a few extras. From the ad the motor appears stock and isnt particularly clean and it doesn't list any suspension work. If it had a $15,000 dollar Motec on it or a twin plug slide valve 2.8 in it I might understand. I'm not knocking the car, I just don't see 65 grand looking at it. My car is far from prefect which is Ok with me, but in about 2 weeks It will have a twin plug 3.4, has a race suspension and alot of other goodies and by finding alot of good deals, I'm still in it for under 30 grand.

[cegerer]

I agree with Mike. The car looks very well done, but it seems like it should have a bit more than a stock 2.4L. -- Curt


orb- waiting ........

[jluetjen]

Curt;
If it is going to be a "track use" only car, then I think the colors are fine. IMO, Racecars need to be flashy to stand out at the wide expanses of the track environment. That's half the fun! Now as a street car...

Have you asked for the "Long List" of modifications? It might be interesting to "cost-up" that list. I bet you that there is a lot of "labor time" in there for the hand-buffing of the paint. It's funny that for all of the effort put into the bare metal paint job that they didn't touch the engine bay. If I were doing it I'd at least strip and paint the engine bay (and everything in it) while I had everything off off the car. Is there more to the story like an engine blow-up since the paint job or was the engine an afterthought that was bought and installed after the shell was finished? Also; what's the gray stuff on the right sill in the engine bay? There seems to be a lot of dust or something.

I suspect that this car isn't going to sell at a ~$25K reserve. It just seems that the list of potential buyers is going to be too small to generate that kind of money. You might want to wait and see what the highest bidder puts in (assuming that it doesn't reach the reserve) and then contact the seller for a private offer. That way you're not helping to "bid up" the car.

[cstreit]

I wouldn't want this as a street car...

But as a race car? ABSOLUTELY!

I'm not sure the yellow interior is good, but ONLY because it could be distracting on the track... I prefer very neutral interior colors for race cars... but to each his own.
I painted my interior with grey trunk paint (the textured stuff) to make sure it was VERY neutral and didn't reflect back...

A 2.4L is small, but is the right motor for what the car was...

I like it... but think it's a bit wierd, all at the same time...

[Randy W]

John, you may be right and this car may not sell. It may be just over the edge (with the yellow highlights and interior) and not appeal to enough buyers to drive the price up. The 2.4TMFI engine, as I recall, had about 100K miles on it and was treated to a recent top end rebuild by a reputable mechanic. All other reassembly was done by the current owner, who has rebuilt and painted dozens of 911s. The suspension is not race car, but new and good. As I recall: Konis or Bilsteins, Charlie sway bars, Turbo tie rods, new tires, etc. The 915 was just rebuilt with new parts and shifts like we all would like it to be. It is a cool little R Gruppe runabout.

The 65K estimate is undoubtedly a result of all the labor that my friend has put into this car. I don't know the number of hours but it has to be over 500. The tub was completely dissambled, what little rust that was there has been completely removed, all dents and waves were removed, all carbon fiber parts were shaped to match the tub, the car was given a concours paint job by one of the best, the car was reassembled using all new correct parts. I do not know why the engine bay was left alone - it could be he had plans for a different engine, which would be about the only thing left to do on this car.

It will make somebody a very nice R Gruppe car - all the hard work is done - it just needs to find the right buyer or be "personalized" to their tastes.

Randy Wells

[curtisaa]

Sounds as if you're on commission Randy ( yuk,yuk). BTW, Randy I found a new listing from "our" friend in Germany.

[Phoenix]

IMHO...I'f you're going to create a "look alike" or a "reproduction", then it should not only "look like" the original (uhhmmm...just a tad of here...) but you should go all the way and not just skim the surface.

The stock 911 from which it was built was/ is a great car. Bringing it back to original would have fetched a better value for the 25K invested. Again IMHO.

[roGERK]

Another perfect example of somebody sinking tons of money into a nice old 911 and ending up with a mutant.

I get sick to death to explaining this to car enthusiasts; if you want to retain value keep it original, if you want to personalise it, remember that for every $1 you sink into the car, you're losing another $1 in devaluing it.

Its a shame, because many guys do an excellent, painstaking job of ruining their cars, and are understandably upset when everyone says "Cool car!" but never want to own it themselves...

- roGER

[curtisaa]

Two things:

1. Where did you come up with that prevaricated equation ??
It really holds NO MERIT....

2. I suppose you're a PCA apostle, and believe me that's great.
The factory modified EVERY car they put on the track..any track.
This car was done "for purpose" and it represents the owner's
individuality. A stock Porsche represents nothing other than
"ho-hum".

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by curtisaa
Two things:

1. Where did you come up with that prevaricated equation ??
It really holds NO MERIT....

2. I suppose you're a PCA apostle, and believe me that's great.
The factory modified EVERY car they put on the track..any track.
This car was done "for purpose" and it represents the owner's
individuality. A stock Porsche represents nothing other than
"ho-hum".

"Ho-Hum"???!???!??? Curt, you have me crying up here! But you're right...things I'd love to do to my car, if I wasn't afraid of hurting it's originality? UH, Turbo brakes top the list...

[Kurt B]

Make the purple yellow or make the yellow purple and have a look then. It looks cool.
As with others, I don't see the 65k. If it's not in the powerplant, then it's in the body aftermarket stuff, but then he should at least put the curb weight--which, for 65k, had better be under 2000 lbs.