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Hendog 07-29-2022 12:03 PM

How can I fix oversized hole?
 
The 2 holes which receive the 2 screws have been over tightened and therefore stretched open (if that’s the right term?).
Anyhow, now they won’t hold the screws. As you can see I have tried adding tubing over the screw to help provide some bite, but I would like a better more secure fix.
Any help/solutions would be appreciated. Thank you SmileWavy
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1659124867.jpg
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JRSIII 07-29-2022 12:07 PM

Couldn’t you just use a bigger screw? Or if you can access the backside a small bolt and nut with a couple of washers?

Hendog 07-29-2022 12:15 PM

A bigger screw would not seat into the recessed/tapered portion of the sunroof wind deflector; and it would just "look" wrong. There is no access to the underside to add a nut.

walt 07-29-2022 01:13 PM

I don't think filling it with epoxy then drilling and tapping would work although I think Loctite makes such a product for this type application. Is it something you can pop rivet?

Showdown 07-29-2022 01:19 PM

A few layers of fiberglass and resin in and over the hole should suffice. Once dry, drill the correct sized hole and ride off into the sunset.

junkman300SD 07-29-2022 01:23 PM

Look up riv-nut or rivet-nut if you have room on the back side. There are inexpensive sets that contain a supply of various sizes.

Here's one. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MCVCWYL

Hendog 07-29-2022 02:17 PM

Those riv-nuts sure look nice but I don’t have the depth to accommodate one. The fiberglass fill might be an option however.

I don’t weld, but could a welder fill the hole with something soft enough to drill and tap?

rwest 07-29-2022 02:46 PM

Old machinist trick is to place a ball bearing that is slightly larger than the hole on the hole and then tap with a hammer to stretch the metal towards the inside and tighten the hole up.

Walt Fricke 07-29-2022 03:00 PM

Welding sounds like overkill. You can drill and tap about any metal, though it looks like this is a sheet metal screw, which doesn't require a threaded hole, so drilling is all that is needed. Still, drilling and then beveling so the screw doesn't protrude could be tricky here with everything in the car. But heat is the issue - you don't want to melt or otherwise damage the upholstery. Were heat not an issue, you could solder, braze, or weld, and then redrill. Of course, you could peel back the headliner, etc., to get anything subject to heat damage out of the way. Want to get into that?

How is your fix holding up? But do you have anything to lose trying epoxy and fiberglass fill and so on? If careful with the application, have you anything to lose?

And just maybe there is a short sheet metal screw with a small enough head out there - these are doubtless metric. Maybe some SAE/Imperial sized screw is just a bit fatter in the shank? Thread type doesn't matter with sheet metal screws. You might even be able with a file or the like to modify a screws head enough to keep it low enough and out of the way?

fintstone 07-29-2022 03:36 PM

Put a little dab of JBWeld in there. Then use a toothpick to make a hole small bit smaller than the screw. When it hardens use the original screw.

Bill Douglas 07-29-2022 04:02 PM

In these situations I put a bit of copper wire in the hole, then put the screw in.

Something like a U shaped centimetre (so it doesn't fall completely in) of wire stripped out from electrical wire.

Hendog 07-30-2022 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 11756534)
Old machinist trick is to place a ball bearing that is slightly larger than the hole on the hole and then tap with a hammer to stretch the metal towards the inside and tighten the hole up.

I really like this idea: for some reason it rings a bell. Seems to me I read this somewhere before, long ago; probably here on Pelican:) Now I just need to find the right ball bearing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 11756600)
In these situations I put a bit of copper wire in the hole, then put the screw in.

Something like a U shaped centimetre (so it doesn't fall completely in) of wire stripped out from electrical wire.

And this sounds good too. I think I can combine these two ideas for good results.

Dpmulvan 07-30-2022 08:45 AM

Paper clips work well or as Bill suggested wire. Can’t find a ball bearing a center punch will work if you have the right size.
Last resort jb weld putty or 3m panel adhesive

john walker's workshop 07-30-2022 12:23 PM

Maybe drill another hole an inch away, dimple it and put a black plastic plug in the old hole.

911 SLANT 07-30-2022 05:13 PM

+1 on the JB weld suggestion. Fill in hole, then after 24 hours or more. Redrill

fred cook 07-31-2022 09:24 AM

Over size hole
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hendog (Post 11756375)
The 2 holes which receive the 2 screws have been over tightened and therefore stretched open (if that’s the right term?).
Anyhow, now they won’t hold the screws. As you can see I have tried adding tubing over the screw to help provide some bite, but I would like a better more secure fix.
Any help/solutions would be appreciated. Thank you SmileWavy
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1659124867.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1659124867.jpg

Per the "KISS" rule of thumb, I would simply use an oversized washer that fits the screw and is larger than the hole.


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