911SC clutch pedal helper spring ?

[Mountainman]

Hello gents, attempting to replace old spring with a new one.

I've searched but could not find anything on how to remove the clutch pedal helper spring ( the one in the pedal cluster ) while the pedal cluster is still bolted into the vehicle. Easy to do when the cluster is out and sitting on a workbench but not so much while its still in the car.

I've stuffed thick washers into the spring, even 2 short screw drivers to push the spring loops apart and still can't get it stretched forward enough to get the end loop of the spring off its pivot point.

I could cut it but it would make a nice spare to put in the emergency kit in the trunk.

Thanks in advance -

DW

[walt]

I never tried to replace one installed in the car but it sounds like you are going about it the right way. Why are you replacing it if the one you have is still working?

Check your bushings while you are at it. If they are worn you may want to just remove the entire cluster and do a complete job.

[wakeupct]

Sorry I can’t help with in-car removal ideas. Where did you source a replacement spring?


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[Mountainman]

Walt and Wakeupct, thanks for the replies.
I had the pedal cluster out a few months ago and replaced the bushings.
I did not think I needed a new spring then but I do now.
It's a bit of a ***** getting the cluster out so I didn't want to go there.
I have and idea though so I am going to attempt it and I'll let you know how it goes.
Thank you -
DW

[proporsche]

Originally Posted by Mountainman

Walt and Wakeupct, thanks for the replies.
I had the pedal cluster out a few months ago and replaced the bushings.
I did not think I needed a new spring then but I do now.
It's a bit of a ***** getting the cluster out so I didn't want to go there.
I have and idea though so I am going to attempt it and I'll let you know how it goes.
Thank you -
DW

just be very careful so it does not fly into your face..short cuts are sometimes painful;-)
Ivan
btw you did not say ? is it broken?

[walt]

Not sure a new spring is going to help if you have some binding in the system and the pedal is not fully returning. Those springs just don't lose much force over time. Why exactly do you want to replace it.

Oh, and make sure you have a new one in hand before attempting to remove. They may be a bit difficult to find.

[strictly]

Originally Posted by Mountainman

Hello gents, attempting to replace old spring with a new one.

I've searched but could not find anything on how to remove the clutch pedal helper spring ( the one in the pedal cluster ) while the pedal cluster is still bolted into the vehicle. Easy to do when the cluster is out and sitting on a workbench but not so much while its still in the car.

I've stuffed thick washers into the spring, even 2 short screw drivers to push the spring loops apart and still can't get it stretched forward enough to get the end loop of the spring off its pivot point.

I could cut it but it would make a nice spare to put in the emergency kit in the trunk.

Thanks in advance -

DW

Its been a while, but i think i used 10mm nuts as the "spacers" between each and every coil. I cant remember for sure, something like that. It can be done in the car.

[Mountainman]

Thank you guys for the help. Clutch pedal was not coming all the way back out.
It was close but it had 1" further to travel.
I rebuilt the pedal cluster with new brass bushings but did not replace the clutch pedal helper spring because it did not appear to be part of the problem.
Turns out, after the cluster rebuild, the problem remained the same.
So I am replacing the clutch helper spring now to see if that solves the problem.

I did get it out. I used twine like you find in the check-out areas of Lowes or Home Depot, the stuff you tie down your long 2" x 4's and stuff with. I looped it under the long end of the spring( the part closest to the front seat ) , put on a thick right hand glove, sat in the drivers seat, right foot on the brake pedal and pulled hard. I was able to pull it enough it came straight off its pivot. Turned out to be simple.
Getting it back on I pushed a bunch of thick washers between the spring loops,
attached the spring to the cluster pivot point towards the front of the car and then used a flat bladed screwdriver to sort of pry it into position.

I replaced the clutch cable and rear clutch helper springs about 6 years ago but maybe those springs are weak now. Don't know but I'll restart my efforts there.

Thanks again for the help -
DW

[Bill Douglas]

DW is the Omega spring on correctly. I can't remember but the right and wrong way look quite similar. also is it dragging on the heat exchanger? Just a couple of other things to check that may help.

[darrin]

DW -- I had a similar issue (clutch pedal didn't reliably release for last inch of travel) -- after checking my pedal cluster bushings, etc., I realized that the clutch cable had a LOT less tension on it at the pedal box during the clutch pedal's last inch of travel.

I fixed my issue by adjusting my clutch cable tension at the clutch arm by the omega spring to factory gaps/tolerances (which caused my omega spring to lo longer tap on the heat exchanger when releasing the clutch). Once I tightened back to factory spec my clutch cable resumed operating as "normal" -- surprisingly easy to do

[proporsche]

can we see the pic of your clutch adjustment from the bottom of the clutch arm with the omega spring?

Ivan

[walt]

And check you Omega spring for any failure when mine snapped the pedal did not return fully. Fairly common problem

[pete3799]

I would also check your long clutch release arm. With the small arm removed the large one should rotate freely on the shaft. If not, remove, clean and lube it. It may have a roll pin holding it on the shaft. If there is just an open hole there spray some penatrating oil in it.

Not my picture but here is what it looks like with the shaft removed from the trans.