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Platiporsch 06-04-2003 08:41 PM

[WUR] heat element testing
 
I checked my warmup regulator with a ohm meter and it only shows 9.4 ohms,the Bentley manual calls for 30 to 40 ohms. I have two old warmup regulators laying around, i checked them and they are both 35 ohms however they are the wrong year for my car, I have cold start problems and im waiting for my CIS pressure tester to arrive. meantime how would the low ohm reading affect my cold start problem.

Funracer 07-12-2020 06:44 PM

bump

Travis Neff 07-12-2020 08:07 PM

I believe that the lower the ohm rating the slower the bimetallic strip heats up, which would affect your warm up time.

boyt911sc 07-12-2020 08:53 PM

Probably a new PP record....
 
You just resurrected a 17-year old post. Must be the effect of the pandemic.

Tony

AndrewCologne 07-13-2020 03:46 AM

I guess Funracer just wanted to pump up an issue where he refers to as well.

AndrewCologne 07-13-2020 03:55 AM

@ FUnracer

AFAIK your engine is a lambda based one so your WUR comes with a two level resistance heating, means one at 10 Ohms and another at about 23 Ohms (or 30, not sure).
The actual resistance depends on the actual temperature and the lever which affects the resistance can be set in the picture below.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594641258.jpg

mysocal911 07-13-2020 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Neff (Post 10943787)
I believe that the lower the ohm rating the slower the bimetallic strip heats up, which would affect your warm up time.

It's just the opposite.

Funracer 07-13-2020 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 10943818)
You just resurrected a 17-year old post. Must be the effect of the pandemic.

Tony


Haha I know. That might be a record. But I thought it was a good question that went undiscussed.

Funracer 07-13-2020 08:19 AM

To the point though, my car is at 2.6bar CCP with WUR unplugged and stays there until plugged in then goes to 3.7bar within about 3 seconds. My car cold starts instantly runs perfectly for 2-3 seconds then idle drops to 500 RPM and surges up and down 3-4 times until everything warms up (about 4-5 minutes) then it runs and starts perfectly the rest of the day.

My WUR measures 9 ohms when warm and 25.6 when chilled with ice bags.

Thanks

So I guess my question is on cold start should it go from 2.6 to 3.7 so quickly?

boyt911sc 07-13-2020 10:52 AM

Erratic cold idle......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer (Post 10944309)
To the point though, my car is at 2.6bar CCP with WUR unplugged and stays there until plugged in then goes to 3.7bar within about 3 seconds. My car cold starts instantly runs perfectly for 2-3 seconds then idle drops to 500 RPM and surges up and down 3-4 times until everything warms up (about 4-5 minutes) then it runs and starts perfectly the rest of the day.

My WUR measures 9 ohms when warm and 25.6 when chilled with ice bags.

Thanks

So I guess my question is on cold start should it go from 2.6 to 3.7 so quickly?



Funracer,

Your engine will always experience erratic cold idle. The problem is that the transition period or time from CCP to WCP is too short (3 sec.). You will need a properly calibrated WUR-090 to correct the problem. What is the heater resistance value (Ohms) of the WUR when engine is cold?

The answer to your question is NO. Keep us posted.

Tony

AndrewCologne 07-13-2020 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer (Post 10944309)
My WUR measures 9 ohms when warm and 25.6 when chilled with ice bags.
So I guess my question is on cold start should it go from 2.6 to 3.7 so quickly?

The ohm/temp value relations seem ok, so its like Tony said, ... your WUR should be recalibrated

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony
What is the heater resistance value (Ohms) of the WUR when engine is cold?

I read 25.6 ohms from his line above

boyt911sc 07-13-2020 12:46 PM

Ambient temperature......
 
Funracer,

Let me be more specific. What is the heater resistance value (Ohms) of the WUR at room temperature (68°~70°F) or ambient temperature? Thanks.

Tony

Funracer 07-13-2020 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyt911sc (Post 10944726)
Funracer,

Let me be more specific. What is the heater resistance value (Ohms) of the WUR at room temperature (68°~70°F) or ambient temperature? Thanks.

Tony

I live in FL. It was 96 today. It won’t be 68-70 til November.

However I did take that reading in May when it was 85F. It was 9 ohms.

Also took it yesterday when it was 92 in the morning. I think it was 8.9 0r 9.

boyt911sc 07-13-2020 05:43 PM

WUR.........out of calibration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer (Post 10944901)
I live in FL. It was 96 today. It won’t be 68-70 til November.

However I did take that reading in May when it was 85F. It was 9 ohms.

Also took it yesterday when it was 92 in the morning. I think it was 8.9 0r 9.



Do you have WUR-090? When you get a chance, read the posts of “Mike in FL” and “JSZ” regarding their WUR-090’s that were newly rebuilt but out of calibration. Since you live in sunny FLORIDA your cold idle could be tolerable but not if you live where you get frost and snow.

As you have observed, the WUR gets to warm state or condition quickly while the motor is still warming up.

Tony


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