Pirelli Cinturato P7 Collezione N4 reviews

[Pwilliamsjr]

Has anybody installed the new (Old) design Pirelli Cinturato P7 Collezione N4 on their cars? How would you rate them? My understanding is they incorporate new materials and manufacturing with the old classic tread design specifically for Porsche Classic vehicles. Look great and period correct but close to double the price of Michelin Exalto which are also Porsche approved N tires.

In short are they good or just a new version of a 45 year old design that provides period correct aesthetics?

Feedback is appreciated.

Thanks

[famoroso]

So far so good. However, I haven't pushed them yet. I always put a couple hundred miles on a set of new tires before doing so. I'll have a better feel for them this coming weekend. I'll report back.

Per this thread...
9 x 16 Fuchs Evolution wheel... 13.15 lbs!
... @dg567 acquired a set before I did. I know he likes them. Perhaps he'll chime in here.

Tahr p0rn...








New 245 P7 Colleziones next to used 245 Trofeo Rs...

[Ginger77]

Those P7s are so retro cool. But I'm guessing they're a loud tyre too?

[Jonny042]

Nice!!!

Look forward to hearing your impressions of the performance. They sure look the business!!!

[Arctic Rat]

$30 - $70+ dollars more than Pzero's and other p7's for an outdated tread design? If the tread design was optimal wouldn't they still be making it? They defiantly won't look like any other "new" tires.

To each his/her own I guess.

Joe D

[yahh]

Originally Posted by Arctic Rat

$30 - $70+ dollars more than Pzero's and other p7's for an outdated tread design? If the tread design was optimal wouldn't they still be making it? They defiantly won't look like any other "new" tires.

To each his/her own I guess.

Joe D

That's the whole concept behind these, no? Look retro but perform as close as possible to a modern tire.

[canamfan]

The Pirelli Cinturato P7 were original equipment on most 911's of that era, of course they were offered on a lot of other vehicles at the time including the Ferrari BB512 & Countach (have you seen some prices for those sizes?). For some (including myself) put great effort in seeking original equipment for these older classics. Tires, like many other items (ie. in car radios & we've seen some hideous looking ones with over the top "video game" non-sensical screen plays) have become a popular item to reproduce to period correctness albeit with modern materials & some discreet current time technological features (Blaupunkt has done a great job with a couple of their products). Not likely a track rat-rod would be putting a set of those P7's on, but for the street they're more than capable. They do look fantastic & really match up with the 911sc's of the era, beautiful IMHO

[Jonny042]

Originally Posted by Arctic Rat

$30 - $70+ dollars more than Pzero's and other p7's for an outdated tread design? If the tread design was optimal wouldn't they still be making it? They defiantly won't look like any other "new" tires.

To each his/her own I guess.

Joe D

I'd choose the P7's over the trofeos for hydroplaning resistance any day

Tread design is as much about compromise as anything. And fashion.

[Jonny042]

Just to clarify, Frank - you're on 16 x 7 front, 16 x 9 rear, and 205/55 and 245/45?

Did you happen to weigh the tires, or tires and wheels together? Curious about the P7's heft compared to others.

[famoroso]

Originally Posted by Ginger77

Those P7s are so retro cool. But I'm guessing they're a loud tyre too?

I have yet to notice a difference to the naked ear. Unfortunately, I didn't instrument the before / after Trofeo R vs P7, but I can do that before the Rs go back on again.

Originally Posted by Jonny042

Nice!!!

Look forward to hearing your impressions of the performance. They sure look the business!!!

They 100% do! I was debating P7s vs A-008Ps. My inner 10 year old beat out my inner 16 year old. I'm selling my '88 491 cab and an '89 Speedster is a potential successor. If so, that will get A-008Ps.

Originally Posted by Arctic Rat

$30 - $70+ dollars more than Pzero's and other p7's for an outdated tread design? If the tread design was optimal wouldn't they still be making it? They defiantly won't look like any other "new" tires.

To each his/her own I guess.

Joe D

You think they change tread designs purely based on need? I think with many things design related, change happens for change's sake / the buying public's perceptions.

Is the tread design optimized for 2020? Nope. Then again, neither is the rest of the 34 year old car.

Between tread design (void ratio) and rubber compound, the latter is an important factor too.

Originally Posted by yahh

That's the whole concept behind these, no? Look retro but perform as close as possible to a modern tire.

Yep. Balancing cost, performance and, in this case, aesthetics.

The other benefit here, is yet another tire available in 205 / 245. A couple years ago, pickens were SLIM, to say the least. The 6-8 options available now are a veritable plethora. I say, reward the manufacturers for doing right by us quasi-luddites by voting with your wallet. If the P7 option disappears next week, I'll be sad to see them go and happy that I gave them a shot.

Originally Posted by Jonny042

I'd choose the P7's over the trofeos for hydroplaning resistance any day

Tread design is as much about compromise as anything. And fashion.

Yes. For me here in SoCal, it was less about resistance to hydroplaning and more about ambient temps / road temps during winter dawn patrol runs. As amazing as the Trofeo Rs can be in the right conditions, ~45° F ambient temps, on occasionally damp (not necessarily wet) sections of mountain roads... does not make a good recipe. As such, the P7s are my "winter tire" of choice. Apart from long roadtrips that will see a lot of freeway miles, I'll revert to the Trofeo Rs for "three season" duty.

Yes, I just said that I'll be using P7s as "San Diego winter tires." Sorry, not sorry. ;-)

Originally Posted by Jonny042

Just to clarify, Frank - you're on 16 x 7 front, 16 x 9 rear, and 205/55 and 245/45?

Did you happen to weigh the tires, or tires and wheels together? Curious about the P7's heft compared to others.

My current setups...

205/55 & 245/45 P7 Colleziones on Fuchs Evolution 7s & 9s.

225/50 & 245/45 Trofeo Rs on OE 951 8s & OE 9s.

I went with 205s on 7s for a couple reasons this go around. Primarily I wanted to drop wheel / tire weight a smuch as practicable and also wanted to compare the effect of less sticky (and narrower) tires on the car's tossability / liveliness.

Alas, I screwed up and neglected to weigh the tires prior to mounting them. Keep in mind the the 7" Fuchs Evos are a bit lighter and the 9" are ~20% lighter...














I'll hunt down a set of unmounted P7s locally and get my scale under 'em!

[Jonny042]

Doing the math puts the fronts at 19.9 and the rears at 23.6?

I've been lusting after the EVO wheels since they came out. Has anyone actually seen a silver version in the flesh? The pics on the website look like renderings.

[famoroso]

Originally Posted by Jonny042

Doing the math puts the fronts at 19.9 and the rears at 23.6?

I've been lusting after the EVO wheels since they came out. Has anyone actually seen a silver version in the flesh? The pics on the website look like renderings.

Yeah, save for that the mounted pics include anywhere from 0.5 - 1.5 ounces of wheel weights. Tire Rack claims 19 lbs for the 205 and 23 lbs for the 245s, so there you go. I considered A052s also, they're lighter.

I haven't seen the Silver Evos in the aluminum yet.

[rosenbergendo]

I have them. 1k miles and I love them. They are the new updated modern compound. Seems quiet to me.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by famoroso

Yeah, save for that the mounted pics include anywhere from 0.5 - 1.5 ounces of wheel weights. Tire Rack claims 19 lbs for the 205 and 23 lbs for the 245s, so there you go. I considered A052s also, they're lighter.

I haven't seen the Silver Evos in the aluminum yet.

I have A052s on my BMW and absolutely love them.

[famoroso]

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

I have them. 1k miles and I love them. They are the new updated modern compound. Seems quiet to me.

Oh MOMMA! There's A LOT of goodness going on there in that pic!

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I have A052s on my BMW and absolutely love them.

I totally woulda gone with the A052s had the P7s (and A008Ps) not been released. I'm going to try them on my Lotus as they come in the Elise's screwy front size.

[rosenbergendo]

Thanks!

[TrickySF]

Rosenbergendo-Are you also using 225/50/15's on the front of the Carrera?

[rosenbergendo]

Originally Posted by TrickySF

Rosenbergendo-Are you also using 225/50/15's on the front of the Carrera?

205's on front. 225 on rear.

[Ginger77]

Both 50 aspect ratio. So the front wheel has a slightly smaller diameter. Looks great!

[g911]

So with a 50 aspect ratio the diameter is just under 24 inches on the rear verses a stock 25 inches? I’m looking to replace 20 year old tires and am currently running 60 series in 215 in the rears on 15x8s.