Mystery bodykit 1970S plus a lot of questions!

[pitobread]

Hello all.

I am new to Porsche, but not new to old cars. I have been cutting up rusty old vintage Toyota Corollas and saving them for a long time but I have recently been dropped into trying to convert an old Porsche back to it's original glory.

My brother in law recently picked this up





Sorry the photos are terrible it is in the bottom of a very dark barn. I will have a few more on Monday when the towing company hauls it out.

from deciphering the VIN it is a 1970S, Story goes it was a German car that had the bodywork done in Germany I am guessing in the 80s to the 935 style. Then a military person bought it and brought it back to Canada. I think it originally had the Fuchs style wheels but as the story goes they were stolen along the way from it being imported and the BBS were put on as an insurance replacement.

If anyone has any idea what that kit is I am all ears.

They drove it and the engine blew up and it sat till the current owner bought it, had the floors replaced and it has sat unfinished in this barn for well over 20 years.

My brother sees the potential for it to be saved as its mostly there and it looks like all the fibreglass can be replaced with metal to bring it back to the classic body and the shell is in very good condition.

We are trying to source a core 2.2L engine to rebuild and I would love to find an S but I am curious if I get a T or an E can I "buff" it up to the S specs.

I don't think the car will ever be concourse so I mean if we can do up a better engine from say a later 2.7 which seem to be cheaper I am all ears. I think I can convince him either way. Ideally would like to get near the original S power output

But I look forward to reading all the info here and if anyone has some insight or advice I look forward to hearing it.

[75 911s]

Welcome! I love barn finds and this one looks literal! If you give us the first 6 of the vin, you can hold back the last four serial number portion if you wish. Big difference between the 70's. Longhoods, midyears and SCs were all 70s cars. From your comment you say it's an original S...still could be a midyear 911S.

Easy enough to convert back to original look. Slantnose are sort of back in vogue in my opinion. You just dont see them anymore. Trends, they come and go.

Engines are all over the place. Since it's pretty rough, the more modern the better imho. I'd look for a running 3.0 or 3.2. Best bang for the buck and most upside if you do want to mod it.

Not to scare you, but are you familiar with how absurdly expensive Porsche engines are to rebuild? Coming from the Toyota world it might be a shocker...

Good luck and post more pics, including the interior, engine bay, wheels, and frunk.

[pitobread]

Yeah no kidding, its staggering the cost of even core engines! Most of the chassis parts are reasonable but the engine stuff is crazy. We are budgeting that to be a large chunk.

[Trackrash]

Looks like a real project. Let's see some more pics when you get it out of the barn.

I'm guessing it is a '71? The reality is you will be way under water if you try to do a totally original resto, as I am sure you are aware. IMO restomods are cool anyway.

As far as a motor goes, good luck on a running 2,2 E or S that is affordable. As mentioned a 3.0 or 3,2 is a better bet and will be an asset when you go to sell.

Check this out and it is missing it's carbs. 1967 911S Engine

[group911@aol.co]

Yep. It's a 70 S according to that number. The fiberglass slant nose stuff is wall art at best but the chassis is a great starting point. It's always better from an economic standpoint to start with an S. More pictures when you can

Originally Posted by pitobread

Yeah no kidding, its staggering the cost of even core engines! Most of the chassis parts are reasonable but the engine stuff is crazy. We are budgeting that to be a large chunk.

[Trackrash]

I missed that it is a '70S. That is a dilema, as an original S will be worth big bucks. Problem is the older S motors are ridiculously priced.

You may be able to piece together a mag case motor with MFI for less than a home mortgage if you are patient and do the work yourself. Good luck. I'll be watching.

[blucille]

I’d hold out for a motor that belongs, plus or minus a little

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2126520

[Bigtoe32067]

So is the engine still there just “blown” up?

If you’re serious then plan for it to occupy many years of your life. I hope you’re starting young but there is no better way to learn about air cooled Porsche’s than to tackle it yourself and you’ll find each little completed project very satisfying. At least I do.
Like everyone’s saying at least you’re starting with a real S. The downside is real S parts are even more expensive and harder to find.
Good luck
Tony

[pitobread]

No sadly the engine is gone although I haven't given up trying to find out where it went exactly. The transaxle is there or is nearby anyway. It is a "roller" as in all the suspension is there, the interior is hit or miss as well. It needs to be pulled out cleaned and cataloged as to what is there and what is missing and will need to be sourced.

I have found 80% of a T engine, but I would still need to source out the MFI parts and other things to make it an S I am assuming, if that is even a possibility. I know the numbers wouldn't match

I guess option one is to find an interim engine to get it going and try and source out a S engine long term.

So not being entirely familiar what would this body style be? longhood or ?

I am not up on the lingo quite yet. I'm still trying to get up to speed.

[76dno]

Hot rod it...3.0 short stroke with 46mm carbs...if you had the numbers matching S engine and transmission, might make sense to restore to original...do you know what the original color is?

[pitobread]

It looks very close to this under the 2-3 other colors it is a pale robins egg blue.

[70SWT]

Wow, I had almost the identical situation 20 years ago, and have been kicking myself for letting it go ever since: an early S that had been b@st@rdized with a DP-type fiberglass widebody update kit - but that car had its engine...

Even without the engine, hold onto that beast. As blucille says, a proper case may surface at some point (maybe even without breaking the bank!) You could just hold onto the case for enhanced provenance, and run whatever engine you want to in the meantime.

[kwyjibo]

There is (or there should be) a small plate up by the driver's door hinge with the color code. It will have the word "kunstharzlack" above the stamped code. Pastel blue was available in '70 and the code for coupes is "2020".

[kwyjibo]

I also wanted to add that Porsche has made it harder for you find the original engine. In the past you were able to find the number by ordering a certificate of authenticity (COA) that had that information. They will now only confirm that the existing engine is what was originally installed at the factory. This is to make it harder for unethical restorers to create "numbers matching" cars. If you have any service paperwork with the engine number on it that is a great start.

Also, you may want to head over to the early911sregistry.org site, there is a lost and found thread to locate original transmissions and engines.

[seafeye]

I had a ‘72 with the same kit on it... done in Germany.

[Bigtoe32067]

Man, good luck on your journey. Many times you’re gonna want to quit but don’t do anything irrationally because if you see it through it’ll produce some great memories and a huge sense of accomplishment.
Also take lots of pics along the way and post a build thread on here thataways you have a photo record for posterity.
Plus some of us like to follow along and live vicariously through you and don’t get discouraged if you don’t get a lot of responses while your updating your thread. More than likely there will be lots of people following your journey who don’t add input but are enjoying it all the same.
Good luck
Tony

[Uwon]

Where are you in Canada?
Johan

[pitobread]

Hey Johan,

The car is in Nova Scotia

[70SATMan]

In 70 Porsche played a bit with a stamped foil decal instead of the riveted plate. That was short lived as I suspect they didn’t turn out to be robust enough (including mine). No garantee that the plate is there. They quickly reversed the decision so 1970 cars are a mixed bag of glued/riveted plates.

[Coastr]

You're probably not looking for other opinions, but given your starting position and cost and scarcity of genuine S parts, going all the way to recreate it is going to be difficult.

If I was in your boat, given what you're starting with (including the BBS wheels etc) I'd be leaning towards a hotrod, probably with some mild wheelarch flare (maybe SC?), a 3.0 on ITBs and a period-motorsport themed interior. I'd fill the sunroof (seems to be missing?) and paint it either the original blue or viper green.

Hey, we all like to window-shop other peoples proejcts