need help with value of '83sc
 

I found an '83 SC coupe without sunroof and need help determining what it's worth. It has 84k miles and is on it's third owner. The exterior is in excellent condition as well as the paint and the interior is borderline perfect. The engine runs strong and the transmission shifts very well. I have not had a PPI done on it yet since I am still negotiating on the '88 Cab.

I would say provided the PPI checks out, probably 12-$15,000 at most. You can use the less than perfect interior as a negotiating point. Other than that, things that add value to this car are that it is an '83, last year they made the SC, and a lack of sunroof take a nice chunk of weight out of the worst part of the car (the roof).......either way, good luck with your hunt.

call 512-930-1238
Scotts ******** , Georgetown
Best in Austin, knows his Porsches
He does my 83SC
www.hcrpca.org
see the newsletter for his ad and a few other Porsche shops as well.

Here are some pics

http://members.roadfly.com/kerryrichard/Porsche1.jpg
http://members.roadfly.com/kerryrichard/PorscheRF.jpg
http://members.roadfly.com/kerryrich...scheinside.jpg
http://members.roadfly.com/kerryrichard/PorscheBk.jpg

Nice looking car.

I'd deduct $1000 for the Carrera badge, though.

Yea that turned me off when I saw it. I really don't care for the whale tail either. The badge and tail would be the first to go. The AC doesn't blow cold as well and is still an R12 system so that will need work. The guy is asking $12,500.00 and it seems reasonable but I and just not sold on it yet.

$12,500 !? I would have jumped on that with little hesitation.

That is one clean looking SC. . .w/ clean Sportseats, nice color, and actually appears to be an 84k miles car.

Ask the guy if he has the original rear deck-lid. . . .I agree w/ Brian: deduct $1000 for the Carrera badge.

depending on the PPI 12.5 is a good price ! it does however look like it has been repainted.

It has had paintwork on the front fender from a "fender bender". The tail was added by the current owner and was put on the original deck lid. That means I would have to purchase a decklid or have this one removed, the holes filled and repainted.

I feel that a nice 1983 Porsche 911 SC is worth about $60 - $70K.;) But fortunately, they are selling for much much less.

I'd like to have a Carrera tail on mine. My deck lid does not have holes in it.;)

hmmmm. Are you propositioning me Superman???

Car looks gay with that bra on. Also...its been in an accident, has a Carerra badge. Id run away from that one. You can do better.

Yea the bra does look pretty bad. I took it off and there are no scratches hidden underneath so that's good. The more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards the '88 cab. This one just caught my eye and the price isn't to bad either.

You wont regret a clean Carerra Cab. They hold their values very well and there is nothing like the open sky above you to add to the driving experience.

So true. But the PITA maintenance on a cab offsets these benefit.
If you let it go (read: don't replace the hyper-costly top bits) resale value drops fast.

That cars look pretty clean to me, I concur with island911. I feel it is juvenile to purposely misbadge a Pcar. I saw a SC last week with a Turbo badge, the owner was walking out of the parking lot, I asked him about the car, when it became clear it wasn't a turbo I had to chuckle. Is he trying to scare off the rice boys or what? Sonic,why do you say the car has been wrecked ? Am I missing something or is it because of the rear deck?

12,500 is a good deal if it has the paperwork...have the necessary updates been done? what about the clutch?

IMO the color combo is nice, but I'd get rid of the whale tail, the car looks like it's been maintained, but you'll need the paper work and a PPI...plus insurance is MUCH less on the SC NEXT YEAR...my '82 gets Classic Car insurance now...much better...the 88 does have the G50, but I enjoy my 915 with no issues, and island911 is right with PITA cab maintenance...with 84k miles you only will have 316,000 miles before you'll have to touch the 3.0

good luck...BTW the color combo is VERY NICE...you don't see it all the time...

The engine and transmission are original. The owner said they have not been rebuilt. He has some of the previous owners record. He said he does not think the tensioners or pop-off valve have been updated. He also said he has not done anything other than oil changes since he purchased it four years ago. He has put 4k miles on it in that time. It probably needs a major service at this point. I drive it today and it feels strong. The clutch feels ok and the transmission feels ok also. 1st and second feel good and go into gear easily. Other than that it is a matter of preference I guess. I truely want a targa or cab but this on has me second guessing what I want.

Have you checked the VIN yet? For some reason I'm thinking you could only get the sunroof delete option on the Euro models? Perhaps someone else knows for sure.

...Bruce

I knew there was something I overlooked when I was checking it out. I will get that from him right away.

Yes, I can understand this hesitation. My car has a brand new top on it that has a 3 year warranty, so Im good for at least that long.

Regarding accidents....

1) I do not believe anything that a PO tells me

2) If its been in a "fender bender"....chances are there was some significant damage that will be glossed over by a PO in order to sell the car.

Car looks great. I would definitely put the proper badge on the back, though. The whale tail is just personal preference, whether you like it or not. Be honest... if it didn't have one, you'd be picturing the car in your mind with one on. Interior (seats at least) look very good. If I had found a car like this for $12.5k when I was shopping, it would have been difficult to pass up. (pending mechanicals, of course.)

BTW, on improper badges... I was poking around at an auto auction a couple months ago, and there were two very clean looking cars - a big Benz sedan and a clean 3 series BMW. The MB had a "500" badge on the back, and the beemer had a "325is" badge on it. The MB was actually a 300 series, and the beemer was a 318 (four cyl, not six). Let the buyer beware!

A good PPI should be able to tell if it was hit hard. Looks like a rather clean car. Didn't the euro cars have the side marker lights, or was that only later cars? At any rate, VIN will tell you for sure.

If there has been nothing but oil changes for 4 years, it definitely is due for a major service, so thats $600 or so to factor in. Popoff valve should be installed NOW, so that's another $100 if you have a shop do it. Tensioners are a "should do it" and that's $800 or so.

Depends on the details with the car. There are quite a few cars that look good until you start digging...

side marker lights; 81-up euro's.
. . so it's likely a non-euro.

Are the sportseats leather, or vinyl? (leather has the perf')

I'll bet the seats are vinyl...leather sport seats seem to have creases even at low miles.

The upside is vinyl seats can look good for a long time and take quite a bit of abuse. But the downside is...they're not leather.

Creases ? . . .do you mean the distressed type of crease, or something else?

Here's leather (in tan '84)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...ortseats84.jpg

I think you wouldn't see the creases if this photo was smaller, like this one.
( 83 seats Beige)
http://members.roadfly.com/kerryrich...scheinside.jpg

like the creases you see in the side bolster of the first photo you posted. Maybe the smaller second photo just won't do the detail...

Were there even vinyl sport seats? Come to think of it the ones I've seen in SCs and Carreras were all leather.

The owner said they are leather

krichard -- thanks for the update. Nice.
If you're a somewhat tall guy, you would really benifit from a non-sunroof coupe. . .then again, a cab in Texas will serve that need well too.

Yep; I bought a pair. They look just like the 83 seats.
FWIW, they did come out of a 944. And, for holding original condition, you're right, it's hard to beat vinyl.
. . . did I say 944?:eek: (oh gee, now I feel like such a B-grupper . . .basterdizing my SC like that.) ;)

Now, if I could decide on leather or cloth/leather for the recovering, I would be set.

take car of the clutch, they have a tendacy to expload...no kidding, so budget for this in the price...

Looks like a great potential "buy" to me. Especially if you can get his price down to cover the needed updates. Prices have gone down. In my area in 2001, I wouldn't have been shocked at a $15,000.00 asking price!