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What makes an "Outlaw" an "Outlaw"?
Topic is pretty self-explanatory...
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isnt it any hot-rodded 356 or 550? just a WAG
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Outlaws are usually 356's....at least Porsche Outlaws.....typically they have no bumpers, stripped or spartan interiors, wider wheels, stingers out the back and non stock engines.....
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WOW!
Where can I find a 356 body!? That is awesome!
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BTW....here's an example of a non stock outlaw motor......
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Those cars are very very very cool. Very very cool. I like them more each week. I can also tell you that they are FAST. Most of you are not going to believe me, but I'd advise not to assume your 911 is faster on a road course. Very possibly one of these little fourbangers will hand you your butt. Fair warned. They are faster than you probably think.
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Yup....there's an old bathtub convertible that runs in "A Improved" down in San Diego.....consistent top finisher. They run it ALL day with two and sometimes three different drivers in autocross and two drivers in DE......
His four banger puts out about 180 hp.....mine about 140....
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How much does your 356 weigh Mke?
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Have not weighed it....I will look up stock weight....
Stock is 1800lbs.....so mine is a lot less, no interior and the rust.... ![]()
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Outlaws are as everyone else has said, generally "Hot Rod" 356's, and usually they have a visualy style that is mostly retro except maybe for wheels.
This guy makes some of the coolest Outlaws and I think is the maker of the 4 cyl 911 motor. http://www.partsobsolete.com/outlaws.htm http://www.partsobsolete.com/ If some of his cars don't give you instant wood then you might be in the wrong place ![]()
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Outlaws give me tremendous wood so I must be in the right place.
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I give almost as much to these guys as to Uncle Sam - they are great!
MAGAZINE ARTICLE FROM "EXCELLENCE JUNE 1994" If there are two poles that define the continuum of Porsche pursuit, one would be labeled Concourse and the other Consume. On the one hand, you have the concourse police, vigorously patrolling the Porsche kingdom in Targa cruisers marked "To Preserve and Polish." This force, invested with sacred edicts from the factory, determines transgressions against originality and metes out appropriate punishment in the form of Black Forest demerits. To these purist custodians, simply driving a Porsche is an unpardonable sin. At the other extreme, you can find an equally demented group of Porsche perverts who actually believe their cars were built to be driven daily on real roads. This clan remains steadfastly insensitive to the mandates of the concourse Politzei, instead concerning themselves with pressing issues like tire inflation and shock valving, The driving brigade rates itself on a sliding scale based on nanoseconds of tardiness. Always pressed for time, this sect issues space saver demerits to the lap-time impaired. Gary Emory's friends call him "the outlaw." Guess which end of the spectrum you can find him on. Here's a hint: he doesn't put a heavy premium on removing lint from the pores of air filters. True, there was a time when Emory cared about such perversions, back at the beginning of a long and varied career dedicated to the marque we all love. In 1960, he went to work as a parts boy for Chick Iverson Porsche in Newport Beach, California. By 1965, he had become thoroughly immersed in the concourse scene, garnering third place in the full concourse class with his '61 356 coupe at the Santa Barbara Parade. He moved on to prepare a '58 Speedster, which he displayed in the street concourse category, and followed that up by displaying a couple of real oddball Porsches that could only have been spawned by the fertile "kustom kar kulture" of Los Angeles. The first was the Bertone Porsche 911 that John von Neumann bought for himself, then sold to Chick Iverson. The second was the four-door 911 that Troutman and Barnes created as a test mule Porsche sedan. Later still, Emory along with younger brother Ken, prepped a '65 C coupe which dominated Zone 8 concours events for three years in the late seventies. But it gradually dawned on Gary Emory that his passion for polishing was waning rather than waxing. He was starting to take that hike down the Porsche highway from concours to consumption, and nothing was going to turn the tide back ever again: "I wanted to build cars I could enjoy more, and drive more. We were so busy toothbrushing 'em that we were afraid to drive them anywhere. In those days, we used to drive them to the concours, then work for hours getting them cleaned up. When we were all through, we'd say, 'You know, that wasn't so much fun.' After ten years of that, I decided to get into fun cars, especially vintage cars." In order to sell his concept to potential customers, Emory decided to build a few examples of the kind of 356 he had in mind when he envisioned a "fun car." But Emory's idea of fun is just a little more refined than that of your average enthusiast because of his 25 year stint in the Porsche parts business. After 16 years with Iverson, he founded his own parts company, Parts Obsolete in Costa Mesa, California. There he concentrated on buying dead inventory from the seven Porsche distributors in the U.S., cataloging the parts, and making them available to enthusiasts who could find them nowhere else. He also took charge of a monumental cache of original racing parts for the 356, 550, 904, and 906, items that dealers had been unable to sell. The boom years for Parts Obsolete ended when Porsche Cars North America took over U.S. distribution of all factory parts in 1984, including the remaindered ones Emory had been buying from the distributors. It was then he started to steer his business toward its current direction - constructing and selling competition-look 356s. In addition to an intimate working knowledge of Porsche nuts and bolts, Emory also learned to love the unhindered expressionism of the L.A. car culture. Growing up in the San Fernando Valley of the fifties, he became immersed in the burgeoning customizing scene, because his father Neil ran a popular mecca for hot rodders called Valley Custom. The senior Emory collaborated with Dean Batchelor and Alex Xydias to field the legendary So-Cal Speed Shop streamliner which Batchelor drove to a 2 way average speed of 208.927 at Bonneville in 1950. In the late fifties, Neil Emory closed the family business and signed on as body shop manager for Chick Iverson. By 1961, son Gary had joined the staff as an apprentice gofer, and there in Newport Beach, he observed the worlds of Porsche and Cal Custom colliding to produce a unified vision of Teutonic Kool. Emory watched as one 356 customer after another left Iverson, sporting Nardi or Derrington wood laminate steering wheels, and decambered suspensions to lower ride height. Other tricks of the day included reversing the rims to gain offset toward the outside of the car, then chroming the beefier-looking wheels for improved appearance. Nerf bars replaced the clumsy stock bumpers, factory exhausts gave way to Bursch stingers, and Lucas Flamethrower driving lites assumed precarious perches on slender nose brackets. It was a stripped, sleeves-rolled-up look that Emory would not forget when it came time to have a little "fun" with the 356s he would design for driving rather than judging. Although Emory would never suggest tampering with any rare, original 356, he convincingly argues that there are many early Porsche which can be improved by judicious customization: "There are a lot of cars that are not suited to be full concurs restorations. It's just too costly and the parts are too hard to get. I wanted to prove that you could take a car that didn't have everything to begin with, and turn it into something people could still appreciate." Ever since 1957, when Emory first laid eyes on pin-striper Dean Jeffries' tastefully remodelled 356A show car, he has had the urge to give Porsche's inverted bathtub the Cal Custom treatment. By the time he was ready to follow through on that wish some 25 years later, he had drastically refined his vision of the ideal 356. While still enamored of the uncluttered look exemplified by Jeffries' seminal coupe, Emory added his own blend of vintage production racing equipment to the portfolio. Different combinations of the same basic mirrors, wheels, lights, and seats keep surfacing on all the 356s he currently turns out.
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Emory's initial foray into the resurrection business was a "57 A coupe which was to set the pattern for subsequent restorations. Initially, the idea was to use the coupe as a test horse for a color scheme Emory intended to transfer to a speedster he also owned and planned to restore. The Speedster had originally been factory finished in aqua with red leather, but before committing to that combination on such an expensive car, he decided to do a trial run of those colors on the A coupe- "I'm gutsy, but I still wanted to see the combination fresh before I started the Speedster." He finished the coupe in record time (45 days), called it "Quickie" in honor of that fact, and pronounced himself happy enough with the results to proceed with the same colors on the Speedster, because "everyone went ooh and ahh at the events where I showed Quickie."
However, Emory didn't quite have the guts to duplicate the original shade of aqua, "because I don't care for aqua myself," Thus the color of choice for Quickie as well as the Speedster became Wedgewood blue. The leather stayed red, and Quickie turned up with most of the styling cues that would identify all of Emory's future projects cars: plastic side windows, roll cage, Speedster seats, leather GT hood straps, Derrington steering wheel, mesh headlight baskets(stone shields), large racing numbers ( in this case, white roundel, black #80), and finally, the signature of the Emory series, the Mobil Flying Horse, Pegasus, hand painted on both rear flanks, Carrera Panamericana style. By 1990, Emory was really into the spirit of revitalizing Porsche's early cars. The '56 coupe he completed in time for the 356 Holiday at Morro Bay in June, 1990 carried the big number "45" on its flanks. It is a prime example of its genre. When it arrived in his shop, it was the Oksana Baiul of the 356 world - an orphan whose parts had been utilized for the greater good of restoring a '58 Speedster. Emory was on the verge of torching the remnants to salvage front and rear clips when his dismantler reported that doing so would waste a platform that was still basically sound. A little investigation enabled Emory to locate some of the missing parts which had just been sold by the previous owner. While the engine, transmission and gauges were irrevocably committed to the Speedster, he was able to retrieve the hood, doors, and decklid that belonged to the coupe. A couple of special twists distinguish #45 from anything Emory has done before or since. The first is the unique treatment of the rear quarter windows, which are no longer transparent, but solid, louvered plates in the tradition of fifties Le Mans-type Porsches. The effect adds just the right touch to the silver coupe, imparting an authenticity to the finished product that convinces you of the car's racing provenance. I recall thinking, when I first saw it displayed at the Monterey Historic races in 1990, 'This must be one of the factory Le Mans team cars from the early fifties..' The windows were a brainstorm inspired by Emory's desire to make the '56 look like "an early Gmund race car." The creative process involved playing with cardboard and primer until he achieved the effect he wanted - "I rolled the edges of the templates and finally decided, why not just weld them in place? So I took the drip rails off, and welded in the quater windows." The louvers are also functional, with shallow Plexiglas ducting that starts at the front inside edge of each window, and grows into a large scoop which feeds fresh air to the engine compartment. Since so much of the original car had been sacrificed to rebuild a Speedster, it seemed only appropriate that the coupe should in turn claim a dash panel usurped from a defunct 356 convertible. The idea came to Emory in the form of a dream - "I woke up one time in the middle of the night and thought how neat it would be to have a Speedster dash in a coupe. So I stuck a Roadster dash in there after I cut the original one out." Red Speedster seats, a red leather-covered dash, and a 550 Spyder "banjo" style steering wheel complete the virtual falsity. The Mobil Pegasus horses, hand painted on both aft quarters by Phil Anderson, add just the right finishing touch to the project. Power comes from a 2.0 liter 914 engine using an upright, rather than horizontal, fan assembly. A Sebring exhaust, 80-liter gas tank , polished Spyder brakes, and 6 x16" wheels complement the specification sheet. Although Emory built the coupe for himself, he subsequently sold it to Mike Letterman, who lives in Italy and now campaigns the car in European vintage races. Emory's insatiable appetite for rehabilitating 356s quickly prompted him to undertake a new family project. As a gift to his son Rod , Emory backdated a '53 A to look like a pre-A dating from '50 to '51. Rod, who is now 20, has a predisposition for athletic machinery. He has already been racing three-wheelers and superlights in Mickey Thompson stadium events for years, so dad thought a tricked-out racy, driveable 356 would suit his son just fine. The '53 coupe was very rough when it came to Parts Obsolete, riddled with dents and hail-like pock marks everywhere. Using some of his extensive parts inventory, Emory converted the baskets case to show car condition, He redid the interior to look like an early coupe, using original parts throughout, including wooden top rails on the door panels. The early bumpers are reproduction items, but the beehive taillights, Raydot mirrors, amber driving lights, and Sebring pea shooter exhaust are all original Porsche stock. Emory is the first to admit that "if you had a real '50 or '51, you wouldn't want to make it into a race car like this," but he sees nothing wrong with taking a clapped-out wreck and honing it to a fine lustre is a deep Mercedes blue, counter-pointed by hand-painted yellow numerals ( #80 ) done with a sign painter's flourish by Phil Anderson. Steve Schmidt of Honest Engine in Costa Mesa, California collaborated with Vic Skirmants of Vic Skirmants of SCCA E Production renown to build a 1300cc G Production motor that keeps the lightweight coupe sufficiently on the boil to titillate its 20 year old owner. For his own pleasure, Emory then crafted a "65 356 that in many ways represents the mirror image of his son's car. The most obvious flip-flop is the color scheme of the '65, which is chrome yellow with Mercedes blue digits ( #81). If you look closely at the photographs, you will see that #81 happens to be right-hand drive, one of the last 356s to leave the factory for England in 1966. The cardex, or build sheets, reveals that this car sat at the factory, unsold, until it was finally shipped, still new, to England - long after 356 production had actually ceased. Bumper removal cleans up its appearance dramatically. 550-styleoil cooler ducts replace the turn signals of this track-only car. The Super-Oscar frog-eye landing lights appended to the hood contribute an impertinent cartoon character to the coupe's visage. But the businesslike interior is no joke, with its factory rally package instrumentation, Plexiglas windows, full roll cage, and Danny Ongais-blessed 935 steering wheel. Emory appreciates the reverse symmetry of the father/son team: "The old man gets the later car with the right-hand drive and the big bore (1720cc) engine, the kid gets the early car with the left-hand drive and the small bore motor." Photographer Hal Toms, who has witnessed the pair competing against each other, comments, "You should see them go side-by side down the track, racing each other in events in the Pacific Northwest. I won't tell you who is faster..." Faster than either of the Emorys by a bunch is Milt Minter in Desperado, yet another 356 creation of Emory's fertile imagination. Minter, the semi-retired hotshoe whom many acknowledge to have been the fastest Porsche ace on the West Coast in his day ( 1960-70 ), is currently tooling around his farmstead in Sanger, California in Desperado, an outrageous track racer, now only marginally related to the Porsche 356 from which it sprang over a decade ago. In 1982, when this '56 A coupe had outlived its usefulness as a production racer, Emory and Jacques LaFriant of San Diego, California, decided to convert it into a PCA/POC time trial test bed for their development ideas. Originally raced with a pushrod motor and a 901 gearbox, the ratty coupe soon received a VW transfusion in the form of a Type 4 motor pumped up to 2.4 liters.
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It was then that Emory recruited Minter as test driver for a Willow Springs POC (Porsche Owners Club) event, where Minter surprised everyone by cranking out a timed lap a 1 minute, 32 seconds - astoundingly rapid for a '56 Porsche. Emory fondly narrates the events of the weekend: "We asked Milt what he thought of the car. So on Saturday, he goes out in practice, makes one warmup lap and one hot lap, and comes back in. In that German/Mexican accent of his, which is really hard to duplicate, he says, 'oh ya, man, it's rilly quick, but maybe you need a little more top end.' So I asked him, 'Milt, what gear were you in at the top end?' And he says, 'Fourt' gear, man.' I said, 'Milt, it's a five-speed...'" The next day, Minter collected the POC track record with only one warm-up lap and two flyers.
Since that time, the Desperado has grown quicker by the year. The Type 4 powerplant has given way to a four cylinder conversion of a 2.25 liter 911 motor. The condensed four is the brainchild of Dean Polopolus, a former business partner of Kevin Jeannette at Service Porsche in San Juan Capistrano, California. Polopolus constructed the flat four as a prototype for midget racing applications. Similar in principle to the winning V-4 midget motors Sesco produces by shortening GM's V-6 block, Polopolus' exercise in shrinkage now displaces 1500cc. The shortened and rewelded case eliminates the center pair of cylinders in the 911 motor. It uses a pair of grafted 906 camshafts, and produces 200 reliable horsepower at 6,500 rpm. To augment the improvements under the engine lid, Emory revamped the aerodynamics of the coupe after Minter admitted that the Desperado had moved over six inches, unannounced, at Willow Springs, between Turns Eight and Nine. That deviation led the crew to revise the front fender wells, 917-style, for better air circulation, and fit a late Turbo decklid to the rear end for time trial use. The under-pinnings of the coupe are really more 911 than 356, since the rear suspension is all 911, and 15" Fuchs alloys are 8" wide in front and 9" wide at the rear. Although the car has never been street legal, Minter still drives it daily in the area around his Sanger home. Emory figures that if the Desperado's mutant engine passes Uncle Milties's daily abuse test, then it has future on the circle tracks of America as well. So if you happen to see something painted like the German flag blast past you in Central California, you can assume it to be UFO-356, AKA Desperado, piloted by an alien Can-Am test driver. As Emory says, "We finally sent it up to Milt to see if he could beat to to death. He lives out in the middle of the grape vineyards there. He used to worry about the cops, then he started giving them rides. Now the don't bother him anymore." Emory claims he's never been hassled for driving and 356 with large print numbers on the street. Maybe that's because the cops are too startled by the outrageous color combinations to react negatively. At any rate, these Porsches, with their fanciful accoutrements, come so close to being street toys that they ought to have pull strings attached to their nerf bars. The day is indelibly inked in Gary Emory's mind. He was a novice parts gofer at Chick Iverson's Porsche dealership in Newport Beach, with an assignment to pick up an order from the distributor in Culver City. As he awaited delivery of his parts, he noticed to his horror that authorized personnel were dumping brand new 356 seats, motors and transmissions into trash bins behind the distributor's facility. What he saw that day "used to drive me crazy, because I'm an enthusiast." Emory subsequently learned that those parts in the dumpster were recycled before the ever actually reached the dump by enterprising dump rats, who sold the goods on the black market. Porsche knew this was happening too. So they took Measures to insure that these parts, that were supposed to be written off as surplus inventory, were actually destroyed. Emory recalls that "field reps would take a hammer to the parts they wouldn't but back from the dealers. We used to sneak around and try to keep them from wrecking the parts, but their job was to destroy the stuff." After awhile, the distributors got smart and installed on-site crushers. Although it would take Emory 15 years to come up with a better scheme for disposing of surplus inventory, he finally convinced Porsche to allow him to bid on, buy, and distribute these valuable items that would otherwise be mindlessly destroyed. In 1975, he opened Porsche Parts Obsolete (PPO) in Costa Mesa, and for nearly a decade, he acquired, catalogued and sold both vintage and new old stock (NOS) parts that had been declared dead inventory at the dealer and distributor levels. Emory vowed to Porsche that he would improve their goodwill by making available parts that customers could find nowhere else - a precursor of the Porsche Vintage Program. Along with all the prosaic bits and pieces came a truly astonishing cache of racing equipment that was so extensive that it arrived at Costa Mesa in four separate semi-trailers. In addition to all the Carrera 2, 904, and 906 parts that Porsche had been collecting for years at Lanham, Maryland, Emory also acquired Richie Ginther's entire 914 racing inventory from Culver City. Those were the glory years at PPO, when Emory could provide complete annular brake sets for Spyders, sheet metal for Carrera 2 engine compartments, 9" alloy-steel wheels for 906s, and cranks, rods and blower housings for the four-cam motors. Looking back at that period now, Emory says wistfully, "Most of the best cars in the U.S. have parts that came out of my inventory in those days."
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Plus you got a few votes if I recall, right Mike.
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