Still Looking for garage queen

SCVWGUY · 09-05-2003, 08:50 PM

Still in the market for an extra clean 911, prefer a car on the west coast that I can view first.

Thanks

B.Lane · 09-07-2003, 11:03 PM

got a 1987 930 with 24 k miles on it...ill send you some pics if you want. looking to get $38k for it. It's mint.

GB83SC · 09-08-2003, 05:23 AM

Ebay--

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10156&item=2430759241

caliber60 · 09-08-2003, 09:16 AM

If the car is in such low miles, you will probably still need to put a lot of $$$ to bring it back in excellent working condition.

NoLift911 · 09-08-2003, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by caliber60
If the car is in such low miles, you will probably still need to put a lot of $$$ to bring it back in excellent working condition.

I would disagree with this statement after purchasing an 84 with 23k on it. The car was all original, down to the tires and needed nothing to operate in fully working order, it was well taken care of.

Depending on how/where the car was kept determines it's level of street worthiness over long periods of time. I spent $0 on getting the car to "excellent working condition"

Now mods are a different story

-Jeff

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

it depends, but a 20 year old car, even with only 23K miles, will likely need stuff. While you might be able to drive it, odds are that things like shocks, brake lines, various seals, etc really should be replaced. Mileage and time both figure into parts replacement.

How long have you had the car (w/23K), and how many miles do you put on it? That will also effect your outlook.

Dantilla · 09-08-2003, 10:25 AM

A friend bought a low- mileage Mustang convertable fron the "little old lady who only drove to church on Sundays". It soon started puking tranny fluid through the old dried up gaskets, requiring an entire rebuild.

Cars like to be driven.

JeremyD · JeremyD's Garage

I think there is a "Sweet Spot" for low mileage cars. Too low and you are looking at replacing things. Too high and doesn't fall into GQ status. Mine had 43000 (1987 Cabriolet) miles and besides a sticking brake caliper has been pretty trouble free. I have heard of a few people that have bought them in the 20-35,000 mile range (most older cars) and several niddly things need to be fixed. BTW Niddly is a technical term...

somosmonos · 09-08-2003, 06:00 PM

scvwguy,

I have a beautiful 1980 911SC Weissach coupe for sale. Its cherry, has 71K orginal miles. I take it out on weekends and drive it for 50-100 miles at a time. I agree- a car needs to be driven. Still this has helped me keep the miles low for an '80.

see pics at
http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/quiroz554/lst?.dir=/1980%20Weissach%20Coupe&.done=http%3a//my.yahoo.com/p/d.html

The car is located in San Franciso area. I am asking $26K. It is a stunning car in excellent, unmolested, maintained condition. Check all the websites- its tough to find a car of this caliber for my asking price.

NoLift911 · 09-09-2003, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
it depends, but a 20 year old car, even with only 23K miles, will likely need stuff. While you might be able to drive it, odds are that things like shocks, brake lines, various seals, etc really should be replaced. Mileage and time both figure into parts replacement.

How long have you had the car (w/23K), and how many miles do you put on it? That will also effect your outlook.

Right. My point was it depends and it is not a general rule of thumb that cars that are not driven as regularly as ones with high miles will be troublesome.

My car has 38k on it now and I have owned for 3 years...I guess my point is that I replaced most of the things you mentioned as "mods" but the old parts were good as new...

-Jeff
nolift911@hotmail.com

xlr8 · 09-09-2003, 09:34 AM

Don't drive on 20 year old tires!

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I would disagree with this statement after purchasing an 84 with 23k on it. The car was all original, down to the tires and needed nothing to operate in fully working order, it was well taken care of.

From my 1988 911 Owner's Manual, page 72, "The supposition that tire durability and performance are imune to the effects of storage and age are unfounded. Chemical additives, which make the rubber elastic, lose their effectiveness in the course of time and the rubber becomes brittle and cracks. Therefore, the tires, especially the collapsible spare tire, should from time to time undergo a visual check, To accomplish this, pump up the collapsible spare tire.
Under no circumstances should tires older than six years be used on your Porsche. The age of the tire can be obtained from the "DOT" code number. If for example, the last three numbers read 125, then the tire was produced in the 12th week of 1985."

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by somosmonos
I have a beautiful 1980 911SC Weissach coupe for sale. Its cherry, has 71K orginal miles. I am asking $26K. It is a stunning car in excellent, unmolested, maintained condition. Check all the websites- its tough to find a car of this caliber for my asking price.

Well, I hope you're right, but my gut feeling is the asking price is pretty high. You'll have to find someone that appreciates the "collectibility" of the Weissach. There are SCs around that are clean with that kind of miles, and the price would be below $20K.

$26K could get you a near perfect E, a pretty good S, and easily get you a 964 with about the same miles. When you get up above $20K, you start competing with a lot of other 911s...

dfw911 · 09-09-2003, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by xlr8
Don't drive on 20 year old tires!

Therefore, the tires, especially the collapsible spare tire, should from time to time undergo a visual check, To accomplish this, pump up the collapsible spare tire.
Under no circumstances should tires older than six years be used on your Porsche. The age of the tire can be obtained from the "DOT" code number. If for example, the last three numbers read 125, then the tire was produced in the 12th week of 1985."

What does this imply about my 30 year old spare? I'm pretty sure the collapsable spare in my '72 is original and unused. Anybody know where to buy a replacement?

NoLift911 · 09-09-2003, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xlr8
Don't drive on 20 year old tires!

From my 1988 911 Owner's Manual, page 72, "The supposition that tire durability and performance are imune to the effects of storage and age are unfounded. Chemical additives, which make the rubber elastic, lose their effectiveness in the course of time and the rubber becomes brittle and cracks. Therefore, the tires, especially the collapsible spare tire, should from time to time undergo a visual check, To accomplish this, pump up the collapsible spare tire.
Under no circumstances should tires older than six years be used on your Porsche. The age of the tire can be obtained from the "DOT" code number. If for example, the last three numbers read 125, then the tire was produced in the 12th week of 1985."

Owners Manual? Yeah we all follow that...

You guys are missing the point...so here it is:

Why be scared of older cars with low mileage? They do not always require that you replace every gasket and nut to be street worthy.

This argument that old, low mileage cars are trouble is an old wives tail...

I have seen many low mileage 911's that are all original and driven with no issues. I was warned of the doom and gloom that would visit me with neverending repairs, leaking gaskets etc. Fact is my 911 leaks nothing, nada, zero. The bottom is spotless, clean, no oil. I also contend that the other wives tail of all 911's leak is bs. Engines do not leak...if they do there is a reason. A tray under the ass is not a repair either.

I drove like a madman on my 20 year old tires...no cracks, no splits, no blisters no issues until I replaced them...but tires are wear items and NOT the point....I replaced the wipers too so sue me.

The point is I have had to replace nothing due to the age and low miles of the car and have heard of similiar experiences...

Most of the horror stories go like this: My buddy bought a cherry 1980 SC, 10k miles....he drove it down the street and the gaskets all melted, oil leaked everywhere, the car caught fire, he died and so did everyone in his neighborhood, the world ended and so on....

-Jeff
nolift911@hotmail.com

JeremyD · JeremyD's Garage

Yeah $26K is a bunch of money - especially for a 71K mile SC. You can find a nice G-50 Carrera for that amount of jack. Not a G-50, but I have a buddy that bought a 1985 Carrera with 28,000 miles for less than 24K.

Good point on the 30 year old spare

arrivederci · 09-09-2003, 10:17 AM

I wouldn't quite call 71K low mileage (even for an '80), or the car unmolested. Nice car, but those speakers surely are a Circuit City aftermarket special from 1980...and qualify as 1st class molestation in my book.

As has been said, $26K might be a bit much for that car.

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Originally posted by somosmonos
scvwguy,

I have a beautiful 1980 911SC Weissach coupe for sale. Its cherry, has 71K orginal miles. I take it out on weekends and drive it for 50-100 miles at a time. I agree- a car needs to be driven. Still this has helped me keep the miles low for an '80.

see pics at
http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/quiroz554/lst?.dir=/1980%20Weissach%20Coupe&.done=http%3a//my.yahoo.com/p/d.html

The car is located in San Franciso area. I am asking $26K. It is a stunning car in excellent, unmolested, maintained condition. Check all the websites- its tough to find a car of this caliber for my asking price.

Mike M · Mike M's Garage

I can't sell this car for 14500 US...I can't see an SC going for 26K!!

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by nolift911
This argument that old, low mileage cars are trouble is an old wives tail...

I have seen many low mileage 911's that are all original and driven with no issues.
I drove like a madman on my 20 year old tires.

The point is I have had to replace nothing due to the age and low miles of the car and have heard of similiar experiences...

I wouldn't drive on 20 year old tires. Period. Ozone does bad things to rubber.

It isn't a given that a GQ will turn into a leakfest, but it does happen. And cars that are not driven regularly can develop problems quickly once they start being driven again. If your car didn't that is great, but you can't generalize from n=1 (or similar small number) and say that age doesn't take a toll on automobiles. Chemistry and physics says otherwise...

arrivederci · 09-09-2003, 11:53 AM

Driven regularly is pretty ambiguous criteria. Once a week? Once a day? Once a month? For how long too...2 miles to the gas station and back? Or for a good 20 miles or so to get things fully warmed up?

Some parts wear out due to use. Others may deteriorate due to age. A low mileage car may be driven and maintained, just not driven much. And vice versa, a higher mileage car may be driven a ton and NOT maintained. I've seen both and lots in between. You never know what you're getting...a good PPI should turn up most alarming issues. A competent mechanic should focus on different details depending on the age and mileage of the car.

I've definitely seen a lot more leaky higher mileage 911s than leaky low mileage ones. Then again, we usually don't see all the low mileage ones out at the track, etc...

Rot 911 · 09-09-2003, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by dfw911
What does this imply about my 30 year old spare? I'm pretty sure the collapsable spare in my '72 is original and unused. Anybody know where to buy a replacement?

Did the collapseable spare come as an option in '72? I thought all the spares were full size back then except on the RS and race cars.