Why does this 911 keep showing upon ebay?
 

I rember a lot of scuttle on this car a while back. Any one know why it keeps poping up for sale? I recal seeing the white Carrera on ebay a while back as well. I still see it in the garage there...:confused: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10156&item=2435537 893

Pete000,

I'm going to take a look/test drive at it this afternoon. I'll post an update later. Can you tell me what the "talk" was all about on this car?

Tom, you have a PM

SCVWGUY, I sent a reply to your PM

Tom,

Thanks I sent you a message back.

Looks like it also has some www.caraudioinnovations.com speaker/sub boxes. looks good in the pics.

BTW, I didn't send anyone a PM, but I could have. :D

Looks like a nice car!
Steve I will send you a PM if you are feeling left out :D
Ben

I just remember people saying it was in really nice condition, but some did not like the dark trim and wheel arches. I tend to agree if it had chrome it could be a real catch!...Let me know wht you find out. Thanks

Looks like a really nice car. For some reason, it just doesn't have the visual pop of a lot of early restored cars. It's very close to Jacks first car but just doesn't pull me in like BB1. Too bad he didn't leave the body original.

I think the reason it keeps showing up is that the owner put a ton of money into the car and wants most of it back.

When I saw it, the price tag was $34K.

Can't speak for anyone else, but it seemed to me like one of the finest R-Gruppe type cars I've seen -- notwithstanding the blackout trim and SC flares.

How was the car?

Ok, here's my report . . . The body on this car is really "straight" and the paint is one of the best in black that I have seen. Lots of attention to detail everywhere on the car . . . doorjambs, wheelwells, under the hood and trunk lids, running boards/door sills are beautiful, all the glass is nice, rubber is nice, lights/lenses are clean, interior has RS updates . . . seats and door panels, the headliner is OK (no sunroof), the guages look good, radio dosen't work (did work a few months ago), the chrome (all chrome) has been anodized black . . . nice job. The brakes are new, transmission/clutch felt good, engine rev'd nicely (no pops/smoke/missing), the engine compartment is nice (no visable leaks). The owner said the engine was re-sealed (what does this mean?) not rebuilt. No idea how many original miles are on the car because the odometer was reset to "0" after the car was completed.

I drove the car and it felt strong, from idle to redline . . . no surprises. Oh, yeah RS fuel tank too.

So help me out here . . . what is the 70 911S worth? I was really close to working on a deal with the owner, but I knew I needed to get some help from people with more experience with these cars . . .

Thanks,

Tom

There are no useful guidelines.

This is a car you either 'gotta have' or not.

what he said. It isn't really collectible due to the mods...so it is what it is...a very nice modified early car. Variations on this are usually around $20-25K plus or minus, but it really depends on the condition and quality of the work. $34K seems towards the high end of the spectrum, but if everything has been redone to a high standard, and you love the car...

If you would have sent me a PM, I would have sent you one back. Just so you know.

Tom,

The first 911 I looked at was a car like this. I regret everyday that I didn't buy it.

What do you want from this car?

What would it cost you to make a car this way?

Hope it helps it is sure a nice looking car!

Michael

I think you nailed it.


Just a thought, but it seems to me that most R-Gruppe cars are a creation of the R-Gruppe owner . . ..not "bought off the shelf". So it seems kinda cheesey that this guy is trying to sell it as a "turn-key" R-Gruppe type car. .. . kinda like; Yes, you can "get it" for a only $34k !. . . hurry, don't delay.

Huh, funny. . . I can hear someone saying " tabs, step away from the Buy-it-Now button, and drop the mouse". :eek:

Michael makes a good point.

I was so inspired by this car that I decided to make my own -- with a couple of variations. Starting with a clean, black '72 T, I will have 9 months and about $18K into just the purchase, body & drivetrain (RS clone). I expect to spend another $4-5K on interior & amenities. Probably north of $3K on suspension, as well.

And I'm *not* aiming to reach the same level of perfection as this car -- just a nice streetable fun car.

YMMV

Hey, Island!

I should mention that when i saw it for $34K, it was on consignment at a dealership. I suspect the car is available for something less than that from the owner.

Your point is well made. Somebody selling a Saville Row 'bespoke; suit on Ebay isn'[t going to find that many people who a.) want the style and b.) have the perfect biometrics for it.

This car is a custom-tailored suit that hopefully will find the one person in a million who would have made the exact same style/taste decisions...

(incidentally, for you purists, my 'imitation' of this car has bright trim)

Damn it . . . you guy are killing me.

I've gotta go back to painting the house so I can think about this so more.

Thanks for your comments . . . much appreciation

The thought that keeps ringing through my head right now is "What do I want to get out of this car?" . . . thanks for that perspective Michael.

Ok, so if I leave my face mask off while painting I should have killed enough brain cells to make this an easier decision . . . NOT!!!

I have bought a used engine from this guy I think, the picture is his back yard and garages. He has quit a collection of Porsches and a detail nut. I enjoyed talking Porsche with him and failed to check out the engine. The engine was ran on 5 cylinders with one rod beating the hell out of the case for what looked like meny miles. He did tell me it didn't run and was locked up. I should start a mangled rod collection!

Very sweet. I like the stealth look. I enjoyed his comment about his habit, "or is it stupidity?" of sparing no expense.

But $30K plus for a 2.2S motor in a really neat, but modified body??

If it had a rorty 2.7 or 2.8, well, that would be another story!

I think a 2.2S motor is great...I would love to have a 70-71 E or S. To me the biggest drawback for this car is the blacked-out look. Most people who look early would prefer the chrome-look. There is a small buyer pool for a car like this. For $20K, a buyer could overlook it not being their "dream car" in every detail. But for over $30K, it better be exactly what you're looking for.

Looks like a great car. The first thing I would do if I bought it is bring back the chrome trim . . . at what expense?

I think I could get a decent price for the motor and then shoe-horn a nice 993 motor in the tail.

Albeit expensive, I would like this car as a start to a BBesque transformation . . . a lot of "stuff" has already been taken care of.

Good luck!

BR,

Kurt

Tom,

What kind of numbers were you talking with the owner about?

The owner is asking 30K for the car. We really didn't get into talking about the price . . . I was hoping for 25K so we were pretty far apart. It's really a "garage queen" and I'm having heartburn over spending 25K+ for a car that I couldn't really drive . . . it's just too nice. I know that sounds ridiculous . . . but that's my feeling after think about "what the heck I want out of this car". . . I want a driver. Am I crazy . . . what do you think?

I am the opposite want a garage queen but it must be bone stock

I can understand that, Tom.
I have been looking for a 356 for years now. They all seem to be concours winners or rust-infected projects. All I want is a car like my SC....a solid, good-looking, driver.

I understand, but ponder if you can get past that. No offense to those that have one, but I think garage queens are somewhat depressing...these cars are made to be driven. My car was a total garage queen before I bought it (24 years old with 41K miles). I've solved that problem, averaging about 1K/month.

If this car really floats your boat, and if the car has been redone mechanically, then I think it is worth the money, and is in fact a *great* driver. While it is beautiful, it isn't an original or collectible car...just beautiful. Get it, drive the snot out of it, and keep it looking as good as you can. Enjoy the miles...don't save them for the next owner.

You could find a more "driver" car, but odds are you'd have to spend some cash to get it up to snuff. In the end, you likely would quickly approach the amount of money that this one will sell for. So if this is "it" for you, it is likely cheaper in the long run to pay up front.

Island? This is the USA. Tabby may accomplish many things, and I'm sure we all wish him well. But one thing he'll NEVER accomplish? I'll give you three guesses...

I spoke to the owner of this car about a year ago (the car was for sale then) and he seemed firm in his price. I agree with other comments about a 2.2 car being worth that much. If you are going to spend 30K you (in my view) really need to make sure that you know you won't get that extra $$$ back. I have been following the market for early cars for the last two years on a weekly basis. I think that this car is over priced. This is not against its builder but there is about a 5-10K premium in this car. With 30K you could get a LOT of car right now. Also I would want to know more about the history of the car mechanically. Get a PPI. OK, you asked, there is my two cents. Oh I ended up purchasing a 69 911 with a 3.2 in the car and all 86 running gear. The guy I got her from was asking 25 & I gave 18.5 and that was for a car that had a total mechanical resto (pan seem welded). The weakness was that the car had a blue interior (on black) and phone dials. bottom-line look around before you drop that much cash.

I spoke to the owner of this car about a year ago (the car was for sale then) and he seemed firm in his price. I agree with other comments about a 2.2 car being worth that much. If you are going to spend 30K you (in my view) really need to make sure that you know you won't get that extra $$$ back. I have been following the market for early cars for the last two years on a weekly basis. I think that this car is over priced. This is not against its builder but there is about a 5-10K premium in this car. With 30K you could get a LOT of car right now. Also I would want to know more about the history of the car mechanically. Get a PPI. OK, you asked, there is my two cents. Oh I ended up purchasing a 69 911 with a 3.2 in the car and all 86 running gear. The guy I got her from was asking 25 & I gave 18.5 and that was for a car that had a total mechanical resto (pan seem welded). The weakness was that the car had a blue interior (on black) and phone dials. bottom-line look around before you drop that much cash. Good luck!--James

Again, you guys are thinking about this all wrong (well some of you are). These cars are a hobby, not an investment. Do you think of your vacation or cruise to the Bahamas like your Porsche? No, if you thought of it the same way, then you would see it's a really horrible investment. How about comparing it to a new car? $30K new this year means $15K on the used market 2-4 years from now. That sounds like a bad investment to me.

But what I don't understand is that some people like to buy the cars for $10K, put $15K into it, and then are disenchanted when all they can sell the car for is $15K. They are thinking about it all in the wrong light (in my opinion). You're in it for the hobby and the enjoyment of the car - not the investment. If you thought about it from a pure investment opportunity, you would buy something completely different (like real estate).

-Wayne

Or SMSC ;)

Really guys, nobody here thinks a car is a good investment financially do you?
If you listen to the frugal financial advisors there advice would be to buy a $2000.00 dollar honda and drive it till your seat falls through the floor. Then buy a $2020.00 Honda. I'm giving the $20.00 for inflation.

and by the way... I do own a $2000.00 dollar honda :D
It ain't worth $1000 anymore so in another 10 years the seats gonna fall out!

no question about it, Wayne has a great point. To clarify my post, I think that if you are in the market for an early 911 (Rgruppe style or otherwise) you should be able to get a lot for that kind of money. Jack and others advised me well about knowing what to buy (Cris is another great person to contact) before I got mine.

No doubt mjshira, Unless a millionare collector falls in love with it, $30,000 is too much. But that is the point I think. This guy thinks he has more than he does. If I blow the motor in my $5000.00 work truck, And replace it with a $2000 motor its still worth $5000.00 dollars.
I paid too much for my car, according to todays prices, I have spent a few thousand dollars on it since, Its still only worth less than I paid for it. I can't add up my recipts and say that plus what I paid is the cars value. Its not. That is what the guy who is selling this car on ebay is doing.
Leland paid $11,000 for my car and put $25,000 into it. I paid $15,000 and put another $5000.00 so far. Do the math. I don't know if I could get $12,000 for it today. But I LOVE IT!!!!!!

I think half the fun of owning my car is working on it myself. I could have bought a pristine Weissach for about $25k, but I'm glad I bought a $13.5k car that needs $12.5k worth of work. I wouldn't spend $30k on anything but a original garage queen "S", a turbo, or a 993. Somebody I was talking to recently summed it up pretty good, " any 911 is going to cost $20k, you can pay it up front or you can spend it on mods & repairs later." There will always be exceptions to the rule, & that number may be closer to $25k, but it rang true to me.

Wayne,

I like to buy cars that I know will be easy to sell again, and close to the price I paid.

It isn't the investment thing, but the ability to liquitdate when the next toy comes along.

This reminds of that old saw, "the way to make a small fortune restoring old cars, is to start with a large fortune."