|
|
|
|
| Author |
|
|
The Unsettler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lantanna TX
Posts: 23,885
|
What to do? Longish
Just got back from visiting mom in Fl.
Come home to her house on the last night of my visit and her next door neighbor has a 92 C4 sitting in the driveway. So I go over to say hello and check out the car. He came about the car through a business transaction tied to a divorce. He only needs his investment back and is willing to sell me the car for 16k, he is not interested in holding on to it. As we were having a cocktail and BS'ng my wife wanders over and says nice car. When she realizes it's a C4, we live in NY and get a fair amount of snow, and has dual airbags she asks if it's for sale. When she heard the price she looks at me and says "if you can get close to 16 for your car you should buy this". Cosmetically the car is pretty good. I know it has had some paintwork up front that looks to have been cosmetic, could not find anything that looked like structural fixes. The rockers don't sit right and there is a small ding on the passenger side above the rocker. 109k on the clock. Car drives really nice, pulls well and drives straight. He has 12k in receipts for work done by the PO who is the 2nd owner. I am having my brother run it over to his friends who owns a Porsche tuning shop for a PPI. He did the PPI on my 84 and was dead on. What do you guys think?       Scott
__________________
"I want my two dollars" "Goodbye and thanks for the fish" "Proud Member and Supporter of the YWL" "Brandon Won" |
||
11-25-2003, 11:17 AM
|
|
|
Registered
|
Wait for the PPI results and ask what the heck happened to the rockers. I know it's all wheel drive, but that doesn't meen you're supposed to off road it!
 Looks like it was high centered. But cosmetics can be fixed in your garage with some paitence, so it's no big. Nice looking car!
__________________
"I understand that you want to drive fast, it's just that I want to go faster!" Move ova please  Chad aka "Chili" 1974 Base coupe in Carrera outfit. No A/C, no Sun Roof, no power windows. Fast and light, just the way I like it. (Sad to say, it's sold. But at least it remains with us on this board.) My car http://www.pelicanparts.com/gallery/CHILI 1969 RSR Project. Heavy on the word PROJECT! No pictures yet. Keeps breaking lenses of cameras. |
||
|
11-25-2003, 11:29 AM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: a few miles east of USA
Posts: 3,393
|
very pretty, but i've heard the c4's are ones to avoid - better to get a c2. i guess they're alot more complicated.
wouldnt stop me getting it though
__________________
Rich  '86 coupe "there you are" |
||
|
11-25-2003, 11:29 AM
|
|
|
What?!?!
|
You've had time to sleep on it. Do what your gut and brain tell you. Ignore the heart. If PPI is good, it seems like a good deal.
Good luck!!
__________________
running shoes, couple tools, fishing pole 1996 Subaru Legacy Outback AWD, 5speed 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX, 5speed 2014 Tundra SR5, 4x4 1964 Land Rover SII A 109 - sold this albatross |
||
|
11-25-2003, 11:38 AM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Naples,FL
Posts: 3,469
|
The tails has to work. Cause thats the coolest part. If you don't buy it tell me were in FL it is so I can go look at it.
|
||
|
11-25-2003, 11:42 AM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,144
|
..if the PPI comes up good, hell for $16K, why not ?!
I thought 91 or was it 92 was the 1st year for the aero mirrors ? this one still has the old square style. |
||
|
11-25-2003, 12:00 PM
|
|
|
|
Licensed User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: ....down Highway 61
Posts: 6,506
|
For $16K
 . Doesnt a wreck or a theft recovery sell for close to that?
|
||
|
11-25-2003, 02:51 PM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 7,956
|
Check the title and make sure the PPI looks good, then jump on it! That's cheaper then the '87 I just bought. The least expensive 964 I looked at was $20500 and it had 98K miles on a '91 coupe w/Tip.
|
||
|
11-25-2003, 03:17 PM
|
|
|
Registered
|
Ohh, and if you do get it, the first thing you should do (IMHO) is lose those hub-caps!
 I've never liked those wheels on that car. Both are too flat and plain for each other. I like the car and the wheels, just not together.
__________________
"I understand that you want to drive fast, it's just that I want to go faster!" Move ova please Chad aka "Chili" 1974 Base coupe in Carrera outfit. No A/C, no Sun Roof, no power windows. Fast and light, just the way I like it. (Sad to say, it's sold. But at least it remains with us on this board.) My car http://www.pelicanparts.com/gallery/CHILI 1969 RSR Project. Heavy on the word PROJECT! No pictures yet. Keeps breaking lenses of cameras. |
||
|
11-25-2003, 03:28 PM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 1,194
|
Quote:
|
||
|
11-25-2003, 03:29 PM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Bethesda, MD
Posts: 1,625
|
I wouldn't worry about the rockers too much if you don't see any damage, or if the PPI doesn't turn up anything, if you take them off once on a 964 it's almost impossible to get them back on and looking correct, they might have just been removed at some point to get at an oil line or something. Most 964 rockers end up looking like that
__________________
-Andy '67 912, '92 C2, and '93 RSA - all gone 
|
||
|
11-25-2003, 04:31 PM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Nor-Cal
Posts: 4,403
|
I have always been curious as to how good the C-4 does in the snow and Winter driving. I know it's better than a C-2 or a rear wheel drive only, bu how would one do with just standard 70 series mud & snows on 15" wheels?
Oh, and about the car, if you like it and it checks out, go for it! You only live once. |
||
|
11-25-2003, 04:44 PM
|
|
|
Now in 993 land ...
|
Make sure there is no structural damage to the car. Big gaps in any body panels edge make me cringe. Point out to the PPI wrench that they look specifically for accident damage and make sure that front and back of this vehicle are from the same car.
Also, for what it's worth check carfax. This is somewhat the ugly duckling years and the 4wd isn't too popular with most folks. The early 3.6 engines weren't the big hit either, IIRC. But what really helps is that you like the car, you wife likes it, it is a strong runner and it is indeed very well priced. I'd try to knock a grand or two off if the PPI shows any minor work that's needed. Also, don't forget, any body work that involves paint will cost you a pretty penny and is hard o do all by yourself properly. George |
||
|
11-25-2003, 05:04 PM
|
|
|
The Unsettler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lantanna TX
Posts: 23,885
|
Checked the VIN code and the car is in fact a 90 not a 92.
Hoping to have the PPI done by the weekend. Little concerned that it is 2 years older as the 90's had the three major issues, distributor belt, leaky heads and flywheel problem. I'm hoping that since the car has 109 on the clock that the corrections have already been made. One would think? The distributor belt fix is easy to spot but the other 2 may be difficult/impossible to determine and certainly not cheap to fix. And those wheels, that'd be the first thing to do if the car checks out mechanically. Gotta admit though, after 8 full days of not driving the 84 the last couple of days have been a real pleasure. There's just something about the older cars that's gets me going. Scott
__________________
"I want my two dollars" "Goodbye and thanks for the fish" "Proud Member and Supporter of the YWL" "Brandon Won" |
||
|
11-26-2003, 07:21 AM
|
|
|
The Unsettler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lantanna TX
Posts: 23,885
|
Got a Carfax on the car, everything came back clean, car failed emissions in 99 but that's it. No accidents or salvage.
This is the title history. Date Location Mileage Description 1991-01-29 charlotte, NC title 1997-01-29 sanford, NC title 1997-01-30 sanford, NC 60000 title 1997-02-04 sanford, NC registration event/renewal 1998-08-24 sanford, NC registration event/renewal 1999-01-29 sanford, NC registration event/renewal 1999-07-07 washington, DC registration event/renewal 1999-07-16 washington, DC title 1999-08-04 washington, DC title 1999-08-04 washington, DC registration event/renewal 1999-08-04 DC 96700 failed emission inspection 2001-12-06 eastern region, 105319 reported at auto auction 2002-01-16 burke, VA 106688 service contract issued 2003-03-12 fairfax, VA 109167 passed emission inspection 2003-04-04 charlotte, NC registration event/renewal
__________________
"I want my two dollars" "Goodbye and thanks for the fish" "Proud Member and Supporter of the YWL" "Brandon Won" |
||
|
11-27-2003, 05:55 PM
|
|
|
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Don't rely on carfax to tell the story. It could have been wrecked 20 times and unless it was totaled, may not get reported to carfax. Best of luck on the deal.
|
||
|
11-27-2003, 06:08 PM
|
|
|
The Unsettler
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lantanna TX
Posts: 23,885
|
Well,
Even though Carfax came back clean the car, as I initially knew, had bodywork done down one side. Airbag computer needs to be replaced which means one or both deployed at some time, also an undetermined ABS issue. Leaks some, not unusual but car may not have had the leaky head issue fixed. $$$ Needs a clutch, $$$, on a C4 it's 14+ hours in labor. At 109K could it be the original clutch? If so I doubt the flywheel issue has been fixed. Major $$$$ CEL has been disabled. hmmm, Overall my guy in FL likes the 84 that I bought last year better than this one. I respect his opinion, it's the same shop that is contributing to Juan Ruiz's car. After getting the report my shop in NY was less than enthused about the C4. Think the clutch is the killer, could be $5k to sort it out. There are a lot of cars out there for $21k that I could just get in and drive. So I'm passing. Scott
__________________
"I want my two dollars" "Goodbye and thanks for the fish" "Proud Member and Supporter of the YWL" "Brandon Won" |
||
|
12-01-2003, 06:02 AM
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 7,956
|
Good decision. PPIs are invaluable aren't they?
|
||
|
12-01-2003, 07:08 AM
|
|
1974 Porsche 911 2.9
