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cegerer 12-24-2003 03:56 AM

Authentic Early S "Ricer"
 
Or should I say "icer". This is the 1967 911S CanAm Ice Racing Champion from 1971-74. Who says Californians have all the fun? Check this out! :D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1072270534.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1072270544.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1072270554.jpg

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Mikkel 12-24-2003 04:12 AM

Great pictures! Is there a background story?

cegerer 12-24-2003 04:19 AM

Mikkel, as far as I know, this was a race series held in the upper midwest of the US. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and, apparently, some Canadian races as well. Ice racing is still fairly popular today and is held on frozen lakes - although I'm having difficulty imaging someone taking their 996TT out on the ice!

Here's one more, a 1968 that was a daily driver on weekdays - bolt the wing on and go ice racing on weekends!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1072271916.jpg

cegerer 12-24-2003 04:21 AM

Also, anybody notice something interesting in that photo of the Saab leading the Porsche??? Both going around the same corner, at the same speed, but something very different happening with the steering!! -- Curt

65-911 12-24-2003 04:26 AM

It looks like the Saab is front wheel drive...

Pulling it into the turn, the 911 is turning into the slide???

Bruce

GeorgeK 12-24-2003 05:06 AM

Understter vs. oversteer.

cegerer 12-24-2003 05:11 AM

Bingo. Front wheel drive vs. rear wheel drive. A pretty good illustration.

Todd Simpson 12-24-2003 05:19 AM

...and why doesn´t the Saab have a big wing over the back? :-)

jluetjen 12-24-2003 05:33 AM

Thanks Curt;
I was about to congratulate you on the most graphic illustration of the difference between understeer and oversteer that I have ever seen. But others got there ahead of me. The little Saab reminds me of this earlier thread with a couple of Saabs having fun on ice.

Can you imagine trying to manage the "peaky" early S engine on ice???

cegerer 12-24-2003 05:37 AM

I'd love to try! A wide-open sheet of ice, nothing to crash into, studded snow tires and an early S - doesn't get much more fun than that!

iamchappy 12-24-2003 05:43 AM

Wow great pictures, got anymore I see the 911 has Carousel written on it, Carousel Porsche is a dealership in Minneapolis as is Morries a Saab dealership just down the street from them, could be the annual winter carnival ice races. During that era a Saab sonnet driven by Jerry Hanson dominated all events.

cegerer 12-24-2003 05:46 AM

Yup, Winter Carnival - Lake Phalen? That's all I know and all the photos I've got.

iamchappy 12-24-2003 06:00 AM

Thanks for sharing, Brings back memories of my Mini cooper ice racer.

Porsche_monkey 12-24-2003 06:19 AM

I don't beliie those tires are studded. On the Canadian ice races they run sheet metal screws through the tire from the inside and use a tube. Yes, they are running on screws!

sammyg2 12-24-2003 06:23 AM

Wow, check out that wing.

Looks like Jack Olson and widebody have some catching up to do. Do I hear a challenge? ;)

JCR 12-24-2003 06:50 AM

Great stuff Curt!

You make me want to pull the car out of storage and take her out on the small lake in front of my house! Nothing quite as exciting as rear engine, RWD, limited traction driving. But, maybe I should test the ice first?

Tim Polzin 12-24-2003 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBH
I don't beliie those tires are studded. On the Canadian ice races they run sheet metal screws through the tire from the inside and use a tube. Yes, they are running on screws!
Actually they use bolts with washers and nuts. On an unlimited class, the bolts add something like 35 pounds per tire. This pdf outlines the rules for studs.

http://www.nascc.ab.ca/pdfs/IceRacingRules.pdf

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1072281116.jpg

cegerer 12-24-2003 06:54 AM

Hey Jared, if you do, I will. How thick's the ice? We could maybe setup a slalom course between the ice shanties ......

john70t 12-24-2003 07:28 AM

Sir, put the keys down slowly and back away!
Actually this sounds like a blast, but those guys were nuts to race in formation like that. With the up and down weather wait untill the end of January at least.

iamchappy 12-24-2003 08:32 AM

The cars suffer, you wouldnt want to do it in anything you really care about. Guys get bumped into the snow banks alot.
They have a series up here that most run anything they can pick up cheap and is disposable, front wheel drive or 4 a must if you want to compete, I think an old Subbie would work great.


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