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Angry Nail in tire, now what?

The roofers at our building seem to be quite sloppy in their work, as they seem to have discarded very large nails throughout the parking lot.

I worked late tonight, and of course, ran over one despite my careful check of our dimly-lit parking lot. Currently, a large nail (with washer ) is embedded in my left front tire, and I feel it with every rotation of the wheel.

These tires are quite new - they are Yokohama EVS-100s, 205-50-15s, with quite a bit of tread on them. In any other circumstance I would plug the obvious hole that will be left when the nail is pulled out. However, I take these tires to the track and on our Mulholland runs. In short, I rely on them quite heavily, and drive on them very spiritedly.

With that in mind, can someone on the board advise me if, given the pressures I put these tires under, it is safe to plug and use the tire for track work and canyon carving, or should I simply mount on a new tire. The building's owners have already agreed to pay for this. Also, if I do get a new tire, how will having a "newer" tire effect the other three tires and most importantly, the balance of the car.

P.S.: one way or the other, I'm saving the nail as I plan to put it through the roofer's palm in a partial crucifixion!

Thanks in advance.

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I would definitely mount a new tire, and let the handling "come in" with mileage. Plugs are good for low speed truck tires, but don't trust them with your life.
Besides the fact that it would always be on your mind, and if your anything like me, there isn't room on mine!
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Yeah, you're right. I've plugged truck tires before, and even they sucked after it was done. Plus, the "clicking" from the plug was just as loud as what was pulled out.
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BS! Take that sucker to a "tire" guy and have it fixed! There is no reason that a roof nail cannot be repaired and be completely safe at the 160+ mph you will be hitting at WSIR!

Really, get it fixed.
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Hopefully you got them from Americas tire co. and paid for the road hazard warranty.
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Definitely new tire time. We're talking about a $75 tire, dude. Buy two and the difference up front will disappear. Get some cement, make a volleyball net from the old fronts, park the Porsche nearby, and wait for the bikinis to show!
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You guys are serious??? For my truck, I plug them myself, never had a problem. For the P-car I would take it to the shop and have it patched from the inside then rebalanced. Really, a $20 patch will last longer than the tire. Trust me, Iím not cheap when the odds are close but this isnít one of those times.

Paul (pbs911) had a patch done before his last run at WSIR, donít worry about it Dave, get it fixed and put the money elsewhere.
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I'd just plug it, but if the building is willing to buy you a new AVS, I'd let them.

Seriously, if it's plugged properly, you shouldn't be able to hear the plug. My old Pirellis (which aren't even on the car anymore) have two plugs in them and they've travelled less than 3k miles.

But the plug-job was first class.
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I don't know, Ryan. At speed do you really trust a tire patch?

I was even thinking of somehow having all the tires shaved down to the same height so I won't have to go through that much of a "break in period."
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I have used plugs in my tires, and run them 'til they were nearly bald with no problems.

The things that a good tire shop will use these days are a patch/plug. It's kind of like a giant rubber roofing nail. It's got a thick shaft that goes through the hole in the tire from the inside, and then a really big flat head that is also glued/bonded to the inside of the tire. I'd say that these things are pretty darn sturdy, especially since the pressure is going to be pressing on them from the inside out.

But hey, if it makes you feel better then get a new tire, it's not that big a price to pay for peace of mind especially when your life is riding on it. Even better if you can get someone else to pay!!
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I would trust the tire much farther than I could push the car.

I've had tires w/ 5 plugs in them, never leaked. I'm not saying to plug it though, I'm saying to take it to a independent tire guy and have it properly repaired, which usually means a patch on the inside.

If they say Ēno wayĒ (I have $20 bucks they donít) then fine, get a new tire, as long as they arenít the ones selling it.

Trust me, tires are tough, properly patched tires are good as new. If your fuel tank needed a repair I would probably say get a new one, Iím sure someone has had one successfully patched though.
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It's just that stinking break in period that I'm not up for. Hmmm...

So you "patchers" out there truly trust them on a track?
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We are talking about a 1/8 th nail, in a steel reinforced modern high speed tire. Not that I think you should try this but if you arenít loosing pressure now, I bet you could cut the head off, to get rid of the noise, and go out to Willow and run w/o any pressure drop at all.

Dave, take the tire to them, have them dismantle it, be honest about how you are going to use it, and let them be the judge. My money is on you getting many more miles out of that tire.
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I ran on the track with a plug for about 6 events. Ran the car up to about 12o mph.

As long as it is not in the sidewall it will be fine.

No problems the tire lasted right to the canvas.
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I ran on the track with a plug for about 6 events. Ran the car up to about 12o mph.

As long as it is not in the sidewall it will be fine.

No problems the tire lasted right to the canvas.

Steve, Adam, Ryan and others - thanks for the advice on this. I'll see about a patch tomorrow and tell you what comes of it.

Thanks again.
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Dave: Get the name of the roofers, and bring a small claims action. I'll bet you the $20 patch charge that their insurance carrier gives you a new tire before the matter comes up for hearing.
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Next time you attend a track event, ask the organizers how they feel about patched tires. Many of them won't allow you on the track if they know about it.
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It's just that stinking break in period that I'm not up for. Hmmm...

So you "patchers" out there truly trust them on a track?
Hello,

I have a patch in my front left tire, from a nail too, and I have no problems whatsoever, never even thought about the fact that it could be a problem (and I did not even pay for the patching as I went for a weel allignement, and as I was doing so, I asked the guy to see why that tire was loosing pressure, and he fixed it and showed me the HUGE nail that he got out of the tire :-)

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Also have the roofers send one of their flunkies back to the lot with a magnetic roller to make sure this doesn't happen again. Your time is worth WAY to much too deal with other people's incompetence.
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I would not plug the P-car, but I have mine patched without problem...

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