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I belong to the local PCA chapter and I am also a bit frustrated with their lack of enthusiast driver events. My local BMW Car Club of America chapter does stuff all the time... while my PCA guys are more content with wine and cheese baloney.
That is pretty much the exact opposit here in the metro Washington, DC area. PCA club is very active and the Nat'l Capital Chapter BMW club refuses to run more "traditional" DE events. Rather, they run a few driver's schools (2 a year maybe on a full track) with a lockdown on # of students and new instructors. No growth desired or attained.

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What a worthless POS club.
I don't think its right to put down the club as a whole just b/c you ran into one jerk.

The region members here in the south east are fantastic. Peachstate region hosts about 5 DE's, 5-6 autocrosses, a couple rallys, 1 club race, and numerous other activities. I started autocrossing with them when i was 16 and have found the group to be some of the friendliest people around.

I got the chance to do an autocross with the SanDiego region a couple years ago and it was great; tons of runs (we normally only get 5, as opposed to 12), and the people were very friendly.

I'm guessing there are many others in your region that would like to autocross, so at the next region activity get as many people interested as possible, and organize a coup to oust the current prez....
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I've been in the club for over 8 years.....the whole club has the same 'tude as the prez. I tried to get them to change....screw it.
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I am very aware that the PCA overall is a pretty darn good organization. Like most national clubs staffed at the local level with volunteers, each region is very different.

The smart move is to transfer membership to another chapter. Since each chapter benefits from membership (financially), your exodus will be felt.
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I have been a PCA member for 14 (give or take) years now, and I agree with Z that the regionS around here basically blow. If you are into the social scene with wine-country picnics, holiday dinner parties and so forth, then great. But for those of us who're more into driving events, we're redheaded orphan stepchildren.

I recognize that a big part of the issue is the lack of local venues for driving events. We essentially have a few full-blown motorsports sites in the vicinity, with their crowded calendars and expensive rental fees, and almost nowhere that welcomes smaller autox/TT/DE "parking lot" style club events. And PCA participation around here does not seem to generate enough interest in larger "real racetrack" events more than twice a year or so.

My first autox ever was at Pt. Magu circa 1990 and it played a big role in getting me hooked on these cars. Now I just find it sad that to enjoy a "casual" and inexpensive driving event like that means driving 1-3 hours (to San Diego) and then spending another 10 hours in the blazing sun to drive for a total of about 10 minutes. Plus then you "get" to volunteer for corner worker duty for an hour or more.

NO THANKS.

I appreciate the efforts of PCA on the national level and am glad to hear that other regions have a different experience than we do around here, but IMHO PCA is fading farther and farther into the background every year here in SoCal.
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I have been a PCA member for 14 (give or take) years now, and I agree with Z that the regionS around here basically blow. If you are into the social scene with wine-country picnics, holiday dinner parties and so forth, then great. But for those of us who're more into driving events, we're redheaded orphan stepchildren.
Duh, and I was about to join just for that - driving events. Tyson was talking me into doing the short track series to get my feet wet. Now I am confused. Maybe I have to move to Orange County, hm?

BTW: I can get wine and cheese in any local supermarket. Don't need no stinkin club for that........

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Duh, and I was about to join just for that - driving events. Tyson was talking me into doing the short track series to get my feet wet. Now I am confused.
Tyson's talking about the POC, not the PCA. In Los Angeles, the PCA is lame, and the POC rocks.
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word to jack's comment. poc - driving focused. pca - polishing focused.

i let my membership lapse for a reason.

i stick to nasa and privately organized events here in norcal now. if i was building a car to compete somewhere, it would be to POC rules.

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Gentlemen,
I have recently transferred back into the SD region from Potomac where I was the Chief Instructor. Here, I've volunteered to be Zone 8's CI for Drivers Education events and intend to stand these up so that they (the events) are run as we did in Potomac. The previous post from Jase007 aside (Potomac physically cannot grow anymore; track loading in the newer run groups and number of instructors preclude adding anymore students), I think I can set up a program that you will enjoy. Our first steps will be taken at Buttonwillow 14/15 Feb. Want to come play?
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Grady..."it's" that bad here in Orygun. Remember my 1976 trip to Woody Creek? That was the most PCA fun I'd had for several years. Don't know what RMR's "secret" was, but even then, the yuppie non enthusiasts were taking over Oregon PCA. I'm still a member, but I've pretty much given up on attending events. Sept. '03 may well have been my last attempt...
Now just a cotton pickin' minute.
I know you're not a big fan of autocross, but *we* will be putting some on anyhow. A few DEs to boot.

As much as I liked looking at your lovely green 9eleben (11/03) , that gets a bit boooring after a while.

Come on out for an AX. You just might meet some gearheads who are having fun. There's usually a couple of yuppies there upon whom you can heap scorn.....an added bonus.

Of course, if you wanna just lay in the weeds and sharpshoot, be my guest.
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Mike - You need to join us for the next Baja run. No whine and cheese!

Hmmmmm. It's about time to start planning the next one.

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Any club, PCA or POC or others, has the potential to become a silly, stupid, political good-ole-boys club. My local chapter has hints of this - been run by the same 5 guys for decades now. And it seems like there are some people on the board who are more interested in stroking their ego than doing good for the other 99% of the club.

On the flipside, they throw great DEs every year. I'm not interested in autocross anymore really. I wish they had a rally chair (vacant since I joined in '99).

Again, it's not the whole club. It's particular chapters. Some are run well by caring people who want to do well for the larger constituency of the chapter. Others are run by jackasses with agendas.
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Gentlemen,
I have recently transferred back into the SD region from Potomac where I was the Chief Instructor. Here, I've volunteered to be Zone 8's CI for Drivers Education events and intend to stand these up so that they (the events) are run as we did in Potomac. The previous post from Jase007 aside (Potomac physically cannot grow anymore; track loading in the newer run groups and number of instructors preclude adding anymore students), I think I can set up a program that you will enjoy. Our first steps will be taken at Buttonwillow 14/15 Feb. Want to come play?
I would consider a transfer to the SD region....the commute would be a PITA....
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The previous post from Jase007 aside (Potomac physically cannot grow anymore; track loading in the newer run groups and number of instructors preclude adding anymore students
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Rather, they run a few driver's schools (2 a year maybe on a full track) with a lockdown on # of students and new instructors. No growth desired or attained.
was addressing how the BMW CCA National Capital Chapter is run and limited by not expanding, not Potomac PCA club.

BTW, having instructed under Don's oversight, I can attest to the fact that I think your DE program will change for the better if he is involved.

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Mike, I feel your pain! The local club (Certral Indiana Region) has to be the worst in the country. A few months back I compared upcoming activities listed on various PCA web sites from groups around the country and activities of the local club. Our club had maybe 8-10 total events for the entire year. That includes DE and social events. Other clubs had more AX events than our club had total events. The local club has no AX events, and there have not been iany in the last 7+years. There are at the most, 2 DE events. There is no newsletter. There are no rally events, never have been as far as I know. Esentially, there is no club. Just a few guys who go to a DE every now and then. I've offered to get the ball rolling on things but no one cares. I've given up on the Porsche club and started joining in with some of the other car clubs in town for AX and other fun stuff.
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TomJ, my experiences locally have been similar.

As co-founder of a PCA region in Washington, and later member of Golden Gate Region -- probably one of the best from a competition standpoint in the mid/late 70s, I came to L.A. with some hopes.

But I too, quit PCA after observing that L.A. PCA was about 6 people trying to push 100 people out of their indifference. For a while, Grand Prix Region was the answer, but now they've gone the same way: no newsletter, monthly breakfast meetings, a couple of drives and a concours.

Since my first outing with POC 6-7 years ago was a disastrously mismanaged event (I've been told that was a fluke), I joined TCRA and have been happy to race alongside both Porsches & non-Porsches.

I think both POC and the advent of the Internet have made the local PCA regions irrelevant.
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I myself will be renewing my membership with the Orange Coast Region PCA next month. I find this area is filled with great people, both track junkies and wine-tour types. My wife has made friends with other wives, which is great for both of us. Plus there are monthly tech sessions after the breakfast meetings at a cool vendor or place of business related to Porsche. Lots of fun really!

Yes, I wish OCR had more track events. They have several autox, including one at Streets of Willow. Still wish for more track events, DE's etc.

San Diego Region is really active, like others have mentioned, with DE's, autox etc. including the CFoS at Fontana.

For the total track junkie in me, I felt it was worth the money to join the POC and last summer I got to run in their STS school at Streets. Well run events filled with hard-core addicts


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PWD,

I can see what you mean. I was looking at my region's schedule and found it to be very lacking. We have only:

11 Dinner meetings
1 Holiday Party
3 DE's
7 Autocrosses
11 Tours
3 Rallys
3 concours Events
and the annual ho-hah weekend.

Since we can't seem to get it together, we also have the use of 10 track days that other local clubs have. My gosh, I would have to share the track with clubs like Alfa's, Shelbys, Lotus's, Corvette's, and, BMW's!

Why can't I belong to region that actually has some decent activities?


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