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Shaun @ Tru6 02-29-2004 03:37 PM

Project 73 911 R/RS -- Week 2
 
This was a tough week, but the results were more than worth the effort. And one very important philosophy yielded itself, that is how to ensure you never sell your car. All you need to do is pull the sound deadening tar from the floors. Once you do this job, you will never want to sell your car again.

For a refresher, here's week 1:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/150037-project-73-911-r-rs-week-1-a.html?highlight=r%2Frs

I read all the boards on best practices for removing paint and sound deadening. For my 73, a heat gun and heavy duty scraper worked better than a torch. Aircraft coating remover only created a soupy black mess. Heat and scrape and sometimes you could even peal an entire section if you heated ahead of the blade just right. After the floor is scraped, aircraft coating remover cleaned up the areas very nicely.

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Just after initial round of scraping

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After letting a coat of aircraft remover sit for an hour, wire brush and then clean up with paint thinner or mineral spirits. You'll definitely want to wear gloves at this stage.
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After the floors were semi-finished, I started on the body. Here are my new best friends. Note, the aircraft coating remover yielded no fumes of any kind. the spray can paint remover was vicious! It's a wonder I can still type.
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Remover applied. I strongly recommend the plastic sheeting diaper at this stage. Errant scraps of scraped up paint and such are easily contained.
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It took about 3 applications of remover to general and stubborn areas to yield these areas. the spray can was good for trouble spots while scraping/brushing.
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Next week will be more of the same, but I've got a rhythm down now.

Cage stock is set to arrive soon too!

Chuck Moreland 02-29-2004 03:41 PM

Good progress for just 1 week!

Did you give any thought to dipping the shell?

Shuie 02-29-2004 03:41 PM

Nice job Shaun!

Shaun @ Tru6 02-29-2004 03:47 PM

Hey Chuck,

Yes, but several factors kept me from dipping. First is that the dip gets everywhere and can be hard to get out of the rockers. Other factors that precluded dipping:

I would have had to remove the electrical system. This job is already way beyond me, I can't imaging having to pull the system and then get it back in.

Also logistically, I have no real access to transport in delivery and pick up.

Cost also. I think I'll spend one sixth as much on my strippers and such. This car is really on a budget.

Lastly, this is a bonding experience like no other. I intimately know this car now. Can you tell I don't have a girlfriend? :)

scca_ita 02-29-2004 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chuck Moreland


Did you give any thought to dipping the shell?

I am at the same stage and wish I just went the acid dipping route for $1300.

724doorE 02-29-2004 04:08 PM

True inspiration! Great job and thanks for posting pics. I am close tostarting the same thing, only I have a wife and two kids to vie for my time as well. Keep us posted!

The Chef 02-29-2004 04:22 PM

nice job. i started removing the sound deadening on my car with just a scraper. what a pain!

80sc man 02-29-2004 04:23 PM

How many hours would you guess it took to strip the whole car?? I am trying to deside weither to sand off the old paint of us a stripper. I am concerned about strippper getting trapped in the seams, as this can be a huge problem down the road. What would you suggest??

dtw 02-29-2004 04:35 PM

Oh man you're nuts! Wow!!! I definitely took the easy way out and dipped. But I'm pretty impressed by your determination - hope you've been wearing a respirator!

That's just awesome. Keep it up...

Schrup 02-29-2004 04:39 PM

Would some kind of media blasting, especially for the undercoating, yeild good results? I am in the middle of scraping the bottom of my tub. It"s coming off in chunks, from sliding a putty knife under it & prying up. I'm about 30% done & it only took me about 1.5 hours. I've had a couple people suggest dry ice & a ball peen hammer will work good. I should get to try it Tuesday.

Tim Walsh 02-29-2004 04:48 PM

very very cool...

dtw 02-29-2004 04:54 PM

Media blasting is unfortunately foiled by tar paper and undercoating - ironically, the undercoating continues to do it's job even as you attempt to kill it with 100psi grit! The media just bounces off. Elbow grease, grinding, Very Nasty Chemicals, or dipping are the only solutions...

Adam 02-29-2004 04:56 PM

Very fast work! :cool:

What colour is it going to be when it's finished?

Shaun @ Tru6 02-29-2004 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 80sc man
How many hours would you guess it took to strip the whole car?? I am trying to deside weither to sand off the old paint of us a stripper. I am concerned about strippper getting trapped in the seams, as this can be a huge problem down the road. What would you suggest??
Given the work this week, I'll have about 40 hours total to strip all the paint, floor deading and cowl deadening off the car, mostly because the devil is in the details. But, I don't have doors, quarters, hoor or fenders to strip.

I am not too concerned with getting stripper in the seams. I've been washing with mineral spirtis after each strip. Once totally stripped, I will go over with several gallons of acetone. Then perhaps heatgun the seams. Then go overthing with Wurth metal prep, then Wurth Rust Gard.

"hope you've been wearing a respirator!"

I probably should be wearing a respirator. But then if I did, I'd probably be thinking clearly and give up on this. :)

Shaun @ Tru6 02-29-2004 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Adam Chaplin
Very fast work! :cool:

What colour is it going to be when it's finished?

It will be a 1966-67 color, Aga Blue. Sort of a smoky dark blue. White accents like Carrera script, R-type rear deck screen, etc. will augment.


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Shaun @ Tru6 02-29-2004 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtw
Oh man you're nuts! Wow!!! I definitely took the easy way out and dipped. But I'm pretty impressed by your determination - hope you've been wearing a respirator!

That's just awesome. Keep it up...

Thanks Dave, and I've got to tell you that your Hyde car has been a major inspiration for me. I am truly humbled by your pics and story on that car.

if anyone hasn't seen it, you've got to check out his link.

azasadny 02-29-2004 05:32 PM

Shaun,
Great work, be careful with those fumes. Can you borrow a respirator from someone??? Every brain cell counts!

Kevin Stewart 02-29-2004 05:44 PM

man you seriously need to get a girl friend, lol great job cant wait to see the finished project, Kevin

Chuck Moreland 02-29-2004 08:26 PM

I hear you on the bonding experience. There is nothing like dismantling, then reassembling a car to achieve oneness.

I did not dip my '73. But it was truly a case of project creep, I had no intention of stripping down to the shell. It just turned out that way. I was cleaning and stripping as I went, so by the time I made it to the shell there was no point in dipping.

My car was covered with aftermarket rust proofing, everywhere: door jams, trunk etc. It took a lot of extra effort to get that crap off. Had I realized how far I would take it, I would have dipped. I did leave the factory undercoating though.

Keep up the good work. It is hard and you are obviously putting in a lot of hours. But the results will be well worth it. Driving a car that you built with your own hands is a unique and very cool experience.

timz 03-01-2004 03:25 AM

Wow!


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