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sp441 06-03-2004 08:02 PM

I dont think I have ever stopped anyone for doing 5 over the speed limit, usually just wave. The ones I chat with are generally 15 + over the speed limit. I don't sit hidden waiting to trap people, against policy and strictly enforced. We aren't allowed to black out and hide. We sit in the open and if you are paying attention you can see us. Laser does in fact go through glass and is accurate. I have done it several times with partners. You do have to do it stationary though. Radar does work through mesh fencing and you can pick out the car passing in a group, but it does take skill. 6 over at 3 am have a good night unless you are swerving,drunk, you will get home. By the way I do pull people over for littering, cigerettes especially, carries up to a $700 fine. Just some extra info of the roughly 22000 crashes we had last year 70% of those were in the rural areas and over half of those involved excess speed. Last triple fatal I had was a benz at 140.

autobonrun 06-03-2004 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by sp441
I dont think I have ever stopped anyone for doing 5 over the speed limit, usually just wave. The ones I chat with are generally 15 + over the speed limit. I don't sit hidden waiting to trap people, against policy and strictly enforced. We aren't allowed to black out and hide. We sit in the open and if you are paying attention you can see us. Laser does in fact go through glass and is accurate. I have done it several times with partners. You do have to do it stationary though. Radar does work through mesh fencing and you can pick out the car passing in a group, but it does take skill. 6 over at 3 am have a good night unless you are swerving,drunk, you will get home. By the way I do pull people over for littering, cigerettes especially, carries up to a $700 fine. Just some extra info of the roughly 22000 crashes we had last year 70% of those were in the rural areas and over half of those involved excess speed. Last triple fatal I had was a benz at 140.
You should be congratulated. More should be like you. It is common (and dangerous) for police where I live to park black cars under overpasses. And to make matters worse, they do it during the sunny part of the day. I think we are on the same page as far as excessive speed. No place for triple digit speeds on public roads. Even the best driver can't account for pot holes, truck retreads, animals, and other drivers that can't judge the speed of an approaching car; items you don't have to contend with on a track. I still believe that since the speed limit was raised from 55 to 70, overall deaths have dropped. I need to check. I'm sure at one point after it was raised, the direction started trending downward. And I'm curious, has anyone ever challenged the use of laser through glass or quantified through testing that there is no effect ?

sp441 06-04-2004 04:52 PM

I personally roll the windows down it is not worth the hassle trying to defend the possiblity of light refraction in court. You can actually compare your speed on your radar and laser at the same time while driving down the road. A certified test but not advisable. Besides it is the only time I get fresh air (pick your spot wisley though unless you like the smell of cow dung). Mn is still a 55 mph state on 2 lane roads to many narrow shoulderless roads. In fact of our surrounding states only SD is 65 on 2 lanes. Animals here are a big problem, I have written over 60 car/deer crashes since Jan 1. And a few car/turkey crashes, lots of damage. And one more thing about taking state troopers at 25. I was 24, the youngest on just turned 21 this past year. She started at 20.

RoninLB 06-04-2004 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by autobonrun
I still believe that since the speed limit was raised from 55 to 70, overall deaths have dropped. I need to check. I'm sure at one point after it was raised, the direction started trending downward.
the latest big delta is on the NJ tpk from 55 to 65.. it emboldend other groups seeking to raise limits. The whole scene is still in action throughout the state for various roads.

and not for nothing.. but if you've ever spent a few weeks traveling around the US you'll see how courtious and relaxed drivers are in high limit states. I've done that a few times.

Randy Webb 06-04-2004 08:03 PM

"see how courtious and relaxed drivers are in high limit states."

- BUt that may not be the _result_ of the high limit. Instead high limit states have low popn. densities (WY, NV, MT...). And low popn. densities are highly correlated with an absence of aggression, low levels of social pathologies, and high levels of amicable behavior -- not just in humans either -- there is a famous study of rats showing that.

Randy Webb 06-04-2004 08:05 PM

sp, I didn't know they were taking state troopers so young -- always thought they were older. Donnu if it's my error, changing times, or state to state differences.

Glad you guys are in the open. I think that is a better deterent anyway.

RoninLB 06-05-2004 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by Randy Webb
"see how courtious and relaxed drivers are in high limit states."

- And low popn. densities are highly correlated with an absence of aggression, low levels of social pathologies, and high levels of amicable behavior -- not just in humans either -- there is a famous study of rats showing that.

that's an old rat study.. so maybe HP pressure makes drivers more like scared rats in their own cages? whatever.

scedmonds 06-06-2004 06:40 PM

V1 -- no question. Saved me many times -- AND: ditto the "don't be the lead car" suggestion, big time!

Cheers!

C.

NicolasW 06-08-2004 03:20 AM

To complement the V1 you should get the Lidatek LE-30 (which is the new model...supposed to be released this week). That way you get true laser protection......the V1 just tells you that you probably got zapped, but the Lidatek can at least give you 5 seconds to slow down before they get a speed lock on you.

RoninLB 06-08-2004 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by NicolasW
To complement the V1 you should get the Lidatek LE-30 (
do you have info comparing the various laser jammers that are out there this year? the Lidatek has that auto off feature.. other than that all I have is a NMA article on the Blinder last yr that was confirming the mfg results.. to a limited point.

NicolasW 06-08-2004 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by RoninLB
do you have info comparing the various laser jammers that are out there this year? the Lidatek has that auto off feature.. other than that all I have is a NMA article on the Blinder last yr that was confirming the mfg results.. to a limited point.
No...I don't know of any comparison test....All I know of is the following link which is an individual test of the older LE-20 unit. http://www.audiworld.com/news/03/lidatek/content.shtml

Also, you should look at the group buy page at the M5 forum which shows some pictures and diagrams (at http://www.audiworld.com/news/03/lidatek/content.shtml).....I know it's a long read, so go to the last couple pages. Unfortunately the group buy is closed now.

From what I understand, some of the less effective units merely use a LED emitter which is not nearly as effective. Lidatek has patents to prove their technology (not that they are worth much these days...). The patents are 5,793,477; 5,793,476; and 5,767,954 which are available for viewing at http://www.uspto.gov

djmcmath 06-08-2004 05:33 AM

FWIW, it seems like the Escort laser jammer is a pretty effective device, too. Like most anti-speeder devices, the evidence is almost entirely anecdotal, but there's some pretty good stories.

fast911s 06-08-2004 05:45 AM

V1 is still the best, even with its shortcomings. Nobody else can handle situations like when I picked up radar on freeway just as I was cresting a hill. Everyone around me did too, and hit the brakes. When we crested the hill, a cop was already writing somebody up, so people around me got back on the gas. My V1 still showed 2 radars ahead...2 cops waiting over the next rise.

False laser warnings can be a pain, but less so than the guys ahead of me had in writing a check to the county, and the insurance company, and the driving school...

cyprusx 06-08-2004 06:47 AM

I had a tough time deciding between the V1 and the Escort. I have had a cheap Cobra for some time now and was sick and tired of always having to change over to other vehicles. So, I decided to purchase another detector. After doing much research and reviewing test results, I decided on the Escort. My expectations have been exceeded which is a good thing. I highly recommend the Escort!


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