GGR Auto-X Pictures

[Itzkirb]

http://gallery.rennlist.com/gallery/album50

[dtfastbear]

Hey Kirby,

Sorry I didn't get to meet you. I didn't see your other post until today. I'll be sure to look you up at the next event. My wife, father and I were all driving the white Carrera cab - #908, 806 and 80.

See you out there next time!

Dean

[emcon5]

Good pictures Kirby, You got a good one of me:



That GT2 was awesome. It was a little intimidating when he gridded right behind me.

How long after the event are the results usually posted?

Tom

[kjb]

It took two or three days for the results to post for the first autocross this season, so I'm guessing the results will be up today or tomorrow.

I was there before lunch, but it was running so late I just left after doing my work session.

/ J

[dtfastbear]

They're out!

http://www.pca-ggr.org/acresults/041004.html

I wanted to beat both drivers in that GT2 soooo bad...

Dean

[juanbenae]

dean, what is the surface at golden gate fields like? better than candlestick i would hope?

toby

[dtfastbear]

To be perfectly honest, the surface at GGF is the worst autocross surface that I've ever encountered, and I've autocrossed in six states and at about 25-30 different sites. Laura and I will no longer run there.

It's not bumpy like Candlestick, but the surface is rough (hard on tires) but extremely slippery because of the combination of loose gravel, fog off the bay and dust. After 20 cars run, they throw so many loose stones around that a groove forms. If you get out of the groove, you're driving on marbles. So, you really can't drive the line you want to drive, you're forced to drive the line everyone else has driven.

It's an extremely frustrating site to drive. If you want to learn to "drift" your car, this probably isn't a bad place to practice

How'd your old man enjoy the Alameda event? Mine had a blast!

Dean

[juanbenae]

he liked it alot. learned a great deal about the car and his vision, or lack there of. that was not the ideal course for a car such as his, he would have prefered something a little less tight. a couple times w/o the traction control on, he got on the gas and the thing came completly around on him. all in all he enjoyed it and i think he will be better off in the canyons in future drives.

thanks for the report on GGF, I will cross that venue off my calander. i REALLY like the alemeda site, im as good as booked on future events there.

i think i got all i could have out of my street rubber on last weekend's course. look at my last two times, they were like 8/100's of a second apart. ive never been that consitant in anything ive ever done, well except,,,, ah never mind.....

[dtfastbear]

A low 76 is a very respectable time for that course and street rubber. Nice work! I was working the course while you were driving. Once you figured out the slaloms it looked like you were getting it pretty good!

I found some time in the afternoon once I started to brake earlier for several of the left hand turns on the way out and the final right hand turn before the finish. Trying to go into those too fast definitely cost a lot of time. I was left foot braking like a madman by the end of the day, something I had to relearn from my old FWD VW days years and years ago.

I still don't think I've ever gotten a ride with you yet...

Dean

[emcon5]

Hey, 93rd place! Not bad for my first autocross. At least I wasn't DFL.



Tom

[dtfastbear]

Way to go, Tom! What mods does your car have that stuck you into Km?

You should check out what we're doing on the ad hoc rules committee to propose a new set of car classification rules for GGR next year. Click on the Car Classification Form to put in your car and all your mods. It'll give you your point total... then you will compete against cars with similar points rather than be forced into a class where you can't possibly be competitive, like Km...

http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_cs/web/index.php

Cheers,

Dean

[MichiganMat]

Oh snap, I did really well. 20 points baby! That final run I put in was screamin' (for me atleast).

[kjb]

dean,

what was the fastest route throught the second slalom? I felt I got a great flow threw the turns on the way back by staying on the right of the first cone, but I noticed while working that the the majority chose the other route.

/ Johan

[dtfastbear]

I felt that going to the left of the first cone in the second slalom was the fastest way through. The reason for this, however, begins a few turns earlier. If you REALLY get on the throttle early heading out of the sweeper at the far end of the course and have a good head of steam coming out of the slight bend to the right the leads into that slalom, it would be very difficult to get all the way back to the right of that first slalom cone.

I was hitting redline in second gear just before the slalom and would drag the brakes just a little bit to settle the nose of the car for turn in through the slalom. I would have had to brake more to get to the right of that first cone.

The bad part about taking this line is that you are set up at the exit of the slalom just a little too far to the left - making it tight to get through that "lane change" immediately following the slalom. It would be better to exit the slalom on the right (like you did) but I felt that I made up enough time with a really fast entry that more than made up for the extra little tap I had to do at the exit before the lane change.

Dean

[kjb]

Alright,

I know I wasn't carrying enough speed into the big sweeper. Those asphalt-concrete transitions and bumps scared me, I guess.

Even though I was on the gas from the middle of it all the way through the first cone of the slalom, I could stay on the right of the first cone. It did require starting the transition to the right at the middle of the preceding "lane change" though.

thanks for sharing your thoughts,

Johan

[emcon5]

Originally posted by dtfastbear
Way to go, Tom! What mods does your car have that stuck you into Km?

Engine: displacement, compression and twin plug. I also have 86 sway bars, but I don't know if that changes classing or not.

Performance wise, it should be pretty close to a stock 86 911. Details here:
Dyno results

You should check out what we're doing on the ad hoc rules committee to propose a new set of car classification rules for GGR next year. Click on the Car Classification Form to put in your car and all your mods.
http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_cs/web/index.php

Interesting. Looks like that page doesn't like my web browser though, I kept getting errors trying to submit using Mozilla and never did get to the next page. I finally tried opening it in IE, and somehow my trying to enter my car 3 times in Mozilla classed my car 12 times.

Sorry about that.

Tom

[crikett]

I seem to be in the vast minority that really preferred the entry to the right on the second slalom. I felt like I was carrying good speed through the sweeper - but once I got out of it, it seemed very easy to settle the car. At that point I was pointed right at the entry from the right.

When I tried the entry from the left, I felt like I was driving further than I needed to to get out there, and worse, once I got out of the slalom I was having to slow down more for the little box that followed (which went much quicker coming out of the slalom on the other side).

Then again, I can't say my times were that great! I will second the note though about GGF (should they just give in and rename it as a Rallycross event?).

[dtfastbear]

Hey Tom - I'll talk to our guy who's doing the web pages - sounds like something is definitely wrong! Thanks for letting me know.

Crikett - Now you've got me thinking... I really wish I would have tried going to the right at least once. I was convinced the other way was going to be faster, but I agree that the exit to the right would make the following section a bit faster. I managed to get down to the 67.5 going to the left, so it wasn't *slow* on that side, but I broke a cardinal rule in at least not giving it a shot!

Dean

[crikett]

Hi again Dean (by the way, it's Paul here) - your times were certainly much better than mine and I would guess you may have been carrying more speed through that wonderful, glorious big sweeper though I don't think I was leaving too much on the table out there.

When I did the morning course walk, the slalom reminded me of the slalom you had in a course at Marina last year (think it was the second day of the Zone?). When I tried the the entry to the left, it felt like I was having to drive out there, and on the subsequent section, with less speed I immediately starting killing cones! I like to think given one more run I would've still trimmed some more time. But would've been even better to have another 4 or 5 runs to play around with some different things.

[dtfastbear]

Oh, hey Paul. I was wondering who was hiding behind that screen name...

I remember the slalom - there was a turn at the top corner that really opened up to a 3 or 4 cone slalom that immediately fed into a tight left hand 180. It was actually John Jefferies who designed the course, then he, Dave L., Laura and I changed it a little bit and ran it backwards.

I took that one contrary to popular opinion and ended up on the inside at the end. I remember really struggling with the tight left at the end since I was set up so far on the inside. I guess I should use the first couple runs to experiment a little more on those slaloms.

I'll probably stop by at GGF, but we're not going to run. Going to Reno, by chance, for the Zone events?

Dean